Psycho-Pass Season 1 Episodes 15 and 16 Liveblog Chat Thingy!

This time with actual happening!

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I’ll update this post with the log after the chat.

Episode 15

[14:00] <@Sylocat> When we left off, Makishima was distributing helmets that can fool SYBIL if you’re nearby someone with a low coefficient
[14:01] <@Sylocat> Ah, the internet
[14:01] <@Sylocat> lol, they’re calling FAKE
[14:01] <@Sylocat> I guess that goes cross-culture
[14:02] <@Sylocat> Yeesh
[14:03] <mere_oblivion> Yeesh indeed; hope this isn’t a yeesh-heavy one.
[14:03] <@Sylocat> Where did Makishima even find all these people? Were they all shut-ins who never went out in public?
[14:03] <mere_oblivion> Good question. Where do Bond’s adversaries dig up their armies?
[14:04] <@Sylocat> Well, yeah, but these guys weren’t invisible to Sybil until now
[14:04] <mere_oblivion> Good point
[14:04] <@Sylocat> Paused after OP
[14:05] <Arrlaari> ad
01[14:05] <Froborr> Also paused after OP.
[14:05] <mere_oblivion> Ad
[14:05] <mere_oblivion> Wow, 4 ads
[14:06] <Arrlaari> I feel that it has been implied that not every part of the country has comprehensive scanners – there’s a protected core, but also marginal spaces without comprehensive scanning
01[14:06] <Froborr> Hmm… IIRC didn’t we establish back in the first ep that people whose crime coefficients are somewhat high but not super-high have the option of doing therapy?
01[14:07] <Froborr> That there’s a stigma against them, but they’re not actually rounded up and imprisoned necessarily?
[14:07] <mere_oblivion> Are we all ready to resume?
[14:07] <@Sylocat> Ad over?
[14:07] <mere_oblivion> Yes
[14:07] <Arrlaari> Such spaces would become economically disfavored, as people with resources abandon them for higher status areas with cymatic scanning and marginal people move in to avoid scans
[14:07] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
[14:07] <@Sylocat> Okay then…
[14:07] <@Sylocat> Click
[14:08] <@Sylocat> That’s a good point
[14:08] <@Sylocat> Ah, looks like they’re touching on that very point, indirectly
[14:09] <@Sylocat> I’m guessing this was exactly what Makishima was planning
[14:10] <@Sylocat> Ah, internet mental health advice, as reliable as ever
[14:10] <mere_oblivion> Unless it came from Carrie Fisher, then it was actually useful.
[14:11] <@Sylocat> …Have we seen this guy before?
[14:11] <@Sylocat> (the one who isn’t Makishima)
[14:12] <mere_oblivion> He’s never read Dick?!
[14:12] <Arrlaari> He was first seen in the case of the net avatar impersonator
[14:12] <@Sylocat> Ah, a paper purist, because of course he is
[14:13] <@Sylocat> (more people are reading books nowadays than ever before, for the record)
[14:14] <@Sylocat> “Too good to be true?” I thought Gibson was like mandatory reading in hacker circles
[14:14] <mere_oblivion> Yeah, i don’t get that line either.
[14:14] <mere_oblivion> Ad
[14:15] <Arrlaari> ad
[14:15] <@Sylocat> Paused at 12:04
[14:15] <Arrlaari> I suspect the emp grenades are the next step in Makishima’s plan
01[14:16] <Froborr> Also paused at 12:04.
[14:16] <mere_oblivion> I’m ready at 12:04
[14:16] <Arrlaari> Notable: The sybil system governs one city, and the border drones have lethal weaponry
01[14:17] <Froborr> Oh interesting, it’s only one city. So even more like Minority Report than we thought.
[14:17] <Arrlaari> Also notable: The MWSPB doesn’t even think of trying to mitigate this with public statements
[14:17] <Arrlaari> Paused after ads
[14:17] <@Sylocat> I’m surprised we haven’t heard background chatter about a looming referendum on taking it worldwide
[14:17] <@Sylocat> Okay…
[14:17] <@Sylocat> Click
[14:18] <Arrlaari> Ah, they make it explicit that he’s foreign.
[14:19] <@Sylocat> If it’s also just one city, which people can presumably, y’know, move out of, that casts a different light on Makishima’s goals
[14:21] <@Sylocat> …Yeah, that’ll work
[14:21] <Arrlaari> ad
[14:21] <mere_oblivion> Yikes, ads already again
[14:22] <@Sylocat> Paused at 15:53
[14:22] <@Sylocat> Yeah, those ad breaks were really close together. Weird.
[14:22] <Arrlaari> Timeline bar indicates this is the last ad break of the episode
[14:22] <@Sylocat> That’s fortunate, at least
[14:23] <mere_oblivion> My ads are done.
[14:23] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
[14:23] <@Sylocat> Okay…
[14:23] <@Sylocat> Click
01[14:25] <Froborr> Looks like I was right–they recruited people who weren’t committing crimes only out of fear of the system.
[14:27] <@Sylocat> So, their goal is to learn Sibyl’s trade secrets
[14:29] <@Sylocat> …Well.
[14:29] <mere_oblivion> Couldnta put it better myself.
[14:30] <mere_oblivion> The series that dares to ask, “God, where did you go?”
[14:31] <@Sylocat> I’d missed until now that Sybil was only in this one city
[14:32] <Arrlaari> I suspect that they have not established it
[14:32] <Arrlaari> before this episode
[14:33] <@Sylocat> That could be.
[14:33] <mere_oblivion> Anybody catch a reference to sulfur in that episode?
[14:33] <@Sylocat> It’s weird, because like I said, it casts a different light on Makishima’s monologues
[14:33] <Arrlaari> It’s notable that Makishima’s accomplice – he’s been named before but I forget what it was, only that it was recognizably Korean – suggests that they want to analyse the cymatic scans of everyone in the “country”
[14:33] <Arrlaari> So it seems probable that Sybil is at least slated to expand from one city to the rest of Japan
[14:33] <mere_oblivion> Choe Gu-Song, according to the episode summary.
[14:34] <mere_oblivion> Korea finally getting its payback on Japan?
[14:34] <@Sylocat> Ah, so THAT’S what Makishima’s trying to prevent
[14:35] <Arrlaari> It seems probable that Choe is also “criminally asymptomatic”, since he’s proceeding here without a helmet
[14:35] <Arrlaari> I think that Makishima’s pattern of aiding criminals thus far has been in part a search for other criminally asymptomatic people.
[14:36] <Arrlaari> And that he discards those who fail Sybil’s test

Episode 16

[14:41] <@Sylocat> We’re about to find out whatever secret underlies the Sybil system
[14:41] <Arrlaari> The first scene of the first episode
[14:42] <@Sylocat> Ah, is this that building? Dang, we’re barely more than halfway through the series
[14:42] <Arrlaari> Was Makashima and Kougami confronting each other at the top of a tower
[14:42] <mere_oblivion> Can’t recall.
[14:43] <Arrlaari> There was a close up shot of a human hand. Could be the tech lady, Yayoi’s girlfriend. Would be disappointing if they killed that character.
01[14:43] <Froborr> Paused after OP.
[14:43] <@Sylocat> Paused at 3:02
[14:43] <Arrlaari> ad
[14:43] <mere_oblivion> ready
[14:44] <mere_oblivion> Wait, more ads
[14:44] <@Sylocat> A couple episodes ago, I predicted that Makishima would get taken down well before the end, then Akane would go asymptotically-rogue and become an antagonist for the last few episodes. I wonder if that’s actually going to happen
[14:46] <Arrlaari> paused after ads. I suspect we’re coming up on the end of the first arc/season, and that Crunchyroll doesn’t have the season splits in their system. Possibly related to getting the license from Funimation recently.
[14:46] <@Sylocat> 22 eps in the first season, according to Wikipedia
[14:46] <mere_oblivion> I just watched the opening of Ep 1 and we’ve definitely been leading up to it.
[14:47] <@Sylocat> Okay then…
[14:47] <@Sylocat> Click
[14:47] <mere_oblivion> In other words, that opening was a flash-forward to right here.
[14:47] <@Sylocat> Yep
[14:47] <@Sylocat> I’m guessing even the cops don’t know Sybil’s… core, or whatever… is in this building?
[14:48] <Arrlaari> Shion works in a different building
[14:48] <Arrlaari> So the Nona tower is not the HQ they work out of
01[14:48] <Froborr> No, it’s a different agency apparently.
[14:48] <@Sylocat> …That was a weird transition
[14:50] <@Sylocat> That’s… good thinking, actually
[14:50] <Arrlaari> I suspect that kid is going to die
[14:50] <mere_oblivion> I reckon so
[14:51] <@Sylocat> Someone pretty much has to
[14:51] <@Sylocat> I’m surprised Makishima’s with the upstairs group, didn’t that scan reveal that the secret was in the basement? Or was there also something else at the top?
[14:52] <mere_oblivion> Besides the antenna? Can’t remember
01[14:52] <Froborr> Makishima knows the cops recognize him so he’s acting as a diversion?
[14:52] <mere_oblivion> He did say that, didn’t he?
[14:52] <Arrlaari> They discussed this, Makishima is drawing them away from the prize while Choe goes for the goal
[14:52] <@Sylocat> Ah, right… I remember now
[14:52] <Arrlaari> The helmets can read Makishima
01[14:52] <Froborr> Oh, clever.
[14:53] <mere_oblivion> What’s going to happen to Akane before the big showdown? (She’s not there for it.)
[14:54] <@Sylocat> Uh oh, some kind of poisoned dart?
01[14:54] <Froborr> I think that was a nailgun.
[14:54] <mere_oblivion> I fear so
[14:54] <@Sylocat> Ah, it is a nailgun
[14:55] <Arrlaari> ad
[14:55] <@Sylocat> Paused at 11:13
[14:55] <mere_oblivion> Ad
[14:56] <Arrlaari> Kougami’s plan will only work if Makishima allows the four helmeted men with him to fight outside of his presence. If he’s there, the helmets can read his asymtomatic scan and block the dominator.
[14:57] <Arrlaari> Of course, Makishima has abandoned accomplices many times. He might hang them out to dry.
[14:57] <mere_oblivion> Back from ads
01[14:57] <Froborr> Hmm, good point Arr.
[14:57] <@Sylocat> But didn’t that mission briefing also issue them stun batons that don’t require a Sybil scan to work?
[15:00] <Arrlaari> They have Makishima’s scan
[15:01] <@Sylocat> Are we all ready to resume?
[15:01] <mere_oblivion> I am
[15:02] <Arrlaari> just reached ads
[15:02] <@Sylocat> Wait, where’s your time stamp?
[15:02] <mere_oblivion> i’m at 11:12
[15:02] <Arrlaari> I’ll let you know when I am paused after
[15:03] <Arrlaari> 1552
[15:03] <@Sylocat> Ah… we’re still back at 11:13
[15:04] <Arrlaari> my bad
[15:04] <Arrlaari> let me know when you reach the next ad break
[15:04] <@Sylocat> (I thought that was taking an awfully long time… shoulda said something sooner)
[15:04] <@Sylocat> Okay then…
[15:04] <@Sylocat> Click
01[15:04] <Froborr> (So we all pause at 15:52?)
[15:04] <@Sylocat> (sure, we’ll pause then)
[15:05] <@Sylocat> Now that’s a good line
[15:05] <mere_oblivion> Which?
[15:06] <@Sylocat> As dueling-philosophical-monologues-during-standoffs go, that was a pretty darn good one
[15:07] <mere_oblivion> It was that
01[15:07] <Froborr> Ah, you were right Arr.
[15:08] <Arrlaari> Yeah it’s good I didn’t say so when I was running ahead without y’all
[15:08] <mere_oblivion> Okay, we’re back at the opening and now we know where Akane is
01[15:08] <Froborr> Ah, that’s the room from the beginning of the first ep, we’re nearly there.
[15:08] <@Sylocat> Yep…
[15:08] <mere_oblivion> Ads
[15:08] <Arrlaari> Also, I was wrong about Choe, he’s not asymptomatic
01[15:09] <Froborr> Paused at 15:52.
[15:09] <@Sylocat> Same
[15:09] <Arrlaari> ready
[15:09] <mere_oblivion> Also
[15:09] <@Sylocat> Okay…
[15:09] <@Sylocat> Click
[15:10] <@Sylocat> lol this music is a bit much
[15:10] <Arrlaari> I count two upstairs helmets down, out of four
[15:10] <@Sylocat> Suddenly it’s a spaghetti western orchestra duel
[15:10] <mere_oblivion> That Morricone gets around!
[15:10] <@Sylocat> Of course he turns out to be a classic-literature dork too
01[15:11] <Froborr> That is an A+ Pascal burn, I need to look up Ortega.
[15:11] <mere_oblivion> Does he mean Ortega y Gasset? (Not sure of spelling)
01[15:12] <Froborr> Jesus this fight is brutal.
[15:12] <@Sylocat> Oh, don’t tell me this is what raises his coefff…. never mind
[15:12] <Arrlaari> Don’t take your eyes off him
[15:15] <@Sylocat> …What
[15:15] <Arrlaari> The chief is a robot, likely controlled directly by Sybil
[15:15] <@Sylocat> …Looks like there was a conspiracy after all
[15:16] <mere_oblivion> That does, in fact, bite
[15:16] <Arrlaari> Froborr almost certainly was write about Sybil’s core being some manner of cyborg
[15:16] <Arrlaari> And I was right about the kid dying down there
[15:16] <mere_oblivion> Yep
[15:17] <@Sylocat> Wow
[15:18] <mere_oblivion> Yowza wowza
[15:20] <mere_oblivion> Are we all stunned speechless?
01[15:20] <Froborr> TBH my reaction is more of a “Oh, okay.”
[15:21] <@Sylocat> I’m a bit disappointed that there turned out to be a Conspiracy after all
[15:21] <@Sylocat> I mean, I’ll wait and see where they’re going with it, but it usually comes across as a copout
[15:22] <mere_oblivion> True. In so-called real life, conspiracy theories tend to be kinda boring.
[15:22] <@Sylocat> Not half as boring (or as petty and inept) as actual conspiracies invariably turn out to be
[15:24] <mere_oblivion> Also true. Except maybe the one Brutus and Cassius cooked up, though even that failed dismally in the end.
01[15:24] <Froborr> Yep. Systemic failures are far more interesting–cases where people acting independently, in their own self-interests, create something with conspiracy-like negative consequences for others.
[15:26] <Arrlaari> I like the conspiracies in the Metal Gear series because they fall apart in a believable way
[15:26] <Arrlaari> It’s possible to keep secrets only for a short time

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