Psycho-Pass Season 1 Episodes 13 and 14 Liveblog Chat Thingy!

This time with actual happening!

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I’ll update this post with the log after the chat.

ETA:  Chatlog under the cut!

Episode 13

[14:11] <Sylocat> Therapy must be a really huge industry in this society
[14:11] <Sylocat> New OP?
[14:11] <mere_oblivion> I thought his father’s history was common knowledge?
01[14:11] <Froborr> New OP.
[14:11] <Sylocat> Heh, I like the lyrics
01[14:12] <Froborr> I’ve completely forgotten who his father is.
[14:12] <mere_oblivion> An ex-cop, I think?
[14:12] <Sylocat> Arrlaari, do you remember?
[14:12] <Arrlaari> His father became a latent criminal, due to his work as an investigator
01[14:12] <Froborr> Ad.
[14:12] <Arrlaari> ad
[14:13] <Sylocat> Paused at end of OP
[14:13] <Arrlaari> This was prior to the enforcer/inspector division
[14:13] <mere_oblivion> Right, so he couldn’t become an enforcer.
01[14:14] <Froborr> Paused after ads.
[14:15] <Arrlaari> paused after ads
[14:15] <Sylocat> Okay…
[14:15] <Sylocat> Click
[14:15] <Sylocat> Ooh, that’s a cool Rubik’s Cube design
[14:16] <mere_oblivion> Probly kinda tough to solve.
[14:16] <Sylocat> Especially since the colors disappear when it’s turning
[14:17] <mere_oblivion> Sounds like what white America thought it had in the 50’s
01[14:17] <Froborr> If I had holographic “windows,” I would DEFINITELY set them to “Earth seen from space” all the time.
[14:17] <Sylocat> Urobuchi does love his semiotics, almost as much as Ikuhara
01[14:18] <Froborr> Ah, metastability.
[14:18] <Sylocat> Ah, are we going to find out how Sibyl functions?
[14:19] <Sylocat> So there was another case like the white-haired guy
[14:20] <Sylocat> It’s a recognized phenomenon, like Minority Reports
01[14:20] <Froborr> Calling it: he’s a Sibyl.
01[14:21] <Froborr> Or in some other kind of position of authority.
01[14:22] <Froborr> Under teh same principle that hackers make the best cybersecurity experts.
[14:22] <Sylocat> Probably true
[14:22] <Sylocat> And/or they’re performing highly-ethically-questionable experiments on him
01[14:22] <Froborr> Yeah.
[14:23] <mere_oblivion> All right: Conrad!
[14:23] <Sylocat> I wonder what this did to Akane’s Psycho-Pass readouts
[14:24] <Sylocat> The classic-literature references are more overt and explicit here than in Madoka Magica
[14:24] <Sylocat> Yeah, Akane’s considering going rogue
01[14:24] <Froborr> Ad.
[14:24] <Arrlaari> ad
[14:25] <mere_oblivion> At end of the hospital scene? (11:23)
[14:25] <Sylocat> 11:34 for me
01[14:25] <Froborr> Probably–it happened just as Akane walked out the door.
[14:26] <mere_oblivion> Oh right, my timer is 11 seconds behind.
01[14:26] <Froborr> Paused after ads at 11:33.
[14:26] <Sylocat> Ah, right, I forgot
01[14:26] <Froborr> Er, 4.
[14:26] <Arrlaari> My ads are still running
01[14:26] <Froborr> brb
[14:27] <Arrlaari> At this point I’m reasonably confident that Sybil is an entirely computational system
01[14:28] <Froborr> Back.
[14:28] <Arrlaari> In particular the department head who was speaking with Ginoza spoke of a system without inspectors & enforcers as “running without any human involvement”
01[14:28] <Froborr> I could see Sibyl as being a computer system built in part from human brains, though.
[14:28] <Arrlaari> And the defect revealed here – that some criminals are “asymptomatic” defeats Sybil completely, when human judgement can plainly see that they’re guilty of crimes
[14:29] <Sylocat> I imagine Touma’s brain would be a very tempting addition to that
[14:29] <Arrlaari> that suggests that Sybil is a weak AI, not a strong AI
[14:30] <Arrlaari> paused after ads btw
[14:30] <Sylocat> I think pretty much the only way Sybil could work at all is as a weak AI
[14:30] <Sylocat> Okay…
[14:30] <Sylocat> Click
01[14:30] <Froborr> Good points, good points.
[14:30] <Sylocat> (lol he had to explain what a memory scoop is)
[14:31] <Sylocat> Ah, Akane’s putting herself through the memory scoop to punish herself for her failure?
01[14:31] <Froborr> Another thing Urobushi loves is PTSD metaphors.
01[14:31] <Froborr> See also: Homura’s time loops.
[14:31] <Sylocat> Yup
01[14:32] <Froborr> I forget, have we seen the doctor’s backstory?
[14:32] <Sylocat> We’ve gotten some hints at it, but I can’t remember if she’s gotten a flashback episode or not
[14:32] <mere_oblivion> This is bound to go well.
[14:33] <Sylocat> Ouch
01[14:34] <Froborr> Yeah, that was… that was pretty much what you’d expect.
[14:34] <Sylocat> Wait, it worked?
[14:34] <mere_oblivion> Complete with hurling!
01[14:35] <Froborr> Yeah, we got that one clear shot of him at the end.
[14:35] <Arrlaari> ad
01[14:35] <Froborr> ad
01[14:35] <Froborr> “Bad news, though: this is an anime. Everyone has the same face!”
[14:35] <Arrlaari> I believe it’s established that the blonde woman is an enforcer
[14:35] <mere_oblivion> Ha!
[14:35] <Sylocat> Ah… is she becoming an asymptomatic killer too?
[14:35] <mere_oblivion> I wonder the same wonderment
[14:35] <Sylocat> How would they even be able to tell?
01[14:36] <Froborr> Ad over, timestamp is 16:30.
[14:36] <mere_oblivion> Hmm . . . by her starting to kill people?
[14:36] <mere_oblivion> Ready at my right time (16:19)
01[14:36] <Froborr> I should think that, given what they’ve established about how Sibyl works, biofeedback techniques should allow one to beat it, IF you known you’re being scanned and have a moment to prepare.
[14:37] <Sylocat> I mean, I can see how her brain could strongly believe that killing that guy would not have a negative effect upon her stress level…
[14:37] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
[14:37] <Sylocat> Okay…
[14:37] <Sylocat> Click
01[14:37] <Froborr> Yeah, that too–it seems like a garden-variety sociopath would also be able to beat the system pretty easily.
[14:38] <Arrlaari> Shion is the name of the doctor/computer operator
01[14:38] <Froborr> Though sociopaths and murderers are both rare enough that the intersection between the two is really tiny. One in two million may well be it.
[14:39] <mere_oblivion> So, only 2,000 in the world? Comforting.
01[14:39] <Froborr> More like 3,000.
[14:40] <Sylocat> 3,500, since we’re up to seven billion people worldwide
[14:40] <Sylocat> Ah, good point about her not being afraid of her Coefficient going up
[14:40] <mere_oblivion> Right. I keep under-estimating the world’s population “for pity’s sake.
[14:41] <Sylocat> If stress creates a feedback loop of worrying about your stress level going up, then her knowledge of Makishima’s immunity could probably help her evade that cycle, which would probably help on its own
01[14:42] <Froborr> Oh, so that guy is his father? I thought so.
[14:42] <mere_oblivion> I wasn’t sure.
[14:43] <Arrlaari> So I suspected that guy was Ginzoa’s father, but I also felt it would be too pat
[14:43] <Arrlaari> Especially since he’s previously spoken of Ginzoa’s father in the third person, to Akane
01[14:43] <Froborr> They’re surprisingly close to white-haired guy for only halfway through the series.
[14:43] <Sylocat> I’m predicting that after they take down Makishima, Akane’s going to go dark
[14:44] <Arrlaari> (I just mispelled Ginoza’s name twice)
[14:44] <Sylocat> Whoa
01[14:44] <Froborr> Oho.
[14:44] <Arrlaari> post credit stinger
01[14:44] <Froborr> Innnnteresting.

Episode 14

[14:49] <Sylocat> Good thing we saw the holographic panda monsters behind the desk or I would have been seriously creeped out by those twins manning the registers
[14:49] <Sylocat> Is this guy a Daft Punk cosplayer?
[14:49] <Sylocat> WHOA
[14:49] <Sylocat> Well, that’s quite a start
01[14:49] <Froborr> Wait, was that a pen he stabbed her with or a syringe?
[14:50] <Sylocat> It was a pen
[14:50] <mere_oblivion> i saw a pen
[14:50] <Arrlaari> pen
01[14:50] <Froborr> Wow, he must have stabbed her with a LOT of force then.
01[14:50] <Froborr> Pens are not actually that sharp…
[14:50] <mere_oblivion> Seems like rather a forceful fella.
[14:51] <Arrlaari> The other doctor was stabbed with a closed pair of scissors
[14:51] <Arrlaari> ad
01[14:51] <Froborr> ad
[14:51] <Sylocat> Most scissors aren’t really that sharp either, though they’re sharper than most pens
[14:51] <Arrlaari> those tend to not have very sharp points
[14:51] <Sylocat> Paused after credits
[14:51] <mere_oblivion> me too
01[14:51] <Froborr> I think those were pharmacists, but yes, point.
01[14:52] <Froborr> Paused at 2:55.
[14:52] <Arrlaari> My ads are mostly for other shows. The one exception so far: An ad for crunchyroll premium
01[14:53] <Froborr> I’ve not been paying much attention, but they’re def not ads for other shows or crunchyroll premium.
[14:53] <Arrlaari> Paused after ad
[14:54] <Sylocat> Okay…
[14:54] <Sylocat> Click
[14:55] <Sylocat> “Straightforward,” that’s one way of putting it
[14:56] <Sylocat> Ah, so the helmet jams the Psycho-Pass readouts?
01[14:56] <Froborr> Huh, I would’ve put my money on the drugs.
[14:57] <Sylocat> So, is it Makishima who invented the helmets, or Touma?
[14:59] <Sylocat> …Well, that’s some pitch-dark humor there
01[14:59] <Froborr> Yeah.
[14:59] <Arrlaari> Oh, it’s makishima’s accomplice
[14:59] <Sylocat> Do the bystanders think this is a hologram entertainment thingy?
01[15:00] <Froborr> It’s the only thing I can see–otherwise you’d think at least some of them would be panicking.
[15:00] <Sylocat> That’s how that artist hid bodies, IIRC
[15:01] <Sylocat> Oh joy, there’s more of them
[15:02] <Arrlaari> ad
01[15:02] <Froborr> same.
[15:02] <Sylocat> Paused at exactly 11:00
[15:02] <Arrlaari> So Makishima’s proximate goal is to break public trust in Sybil
[15:03] <Arrlaari> Likely his ultimate goal is to have the system overturned
[15:03] <Sylocat> He’s got some self-loathing issues is my guess… he seemed to be seriously trying to get Akane to kill him with a regular gun
01[15:04] <Froborr> Some quick research suggests that the book Makishima was reading is an award-winnign 1996 book about the rise of organized crime in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union.
[15:04] <Arrlaari> He was trying to shake Akane’s confidence in Sybil. He specifically framed his argument as “you should make your own judgement, instead of trusting Sybil”
[15:04] <mere_oblivion> “Quick” research hardly covers it!
[15:04] <Arrlaari> Paused after ads
[15:04] <mere_oblivion> ready
[15:05] <Sylocat> Okay…
[15:05] <Sylocat> Click
[15:05] <Sylocat> So an inverse Animal Farm then
01[15:06] <Froborr> Kind of. Nonfiction though.
[15:07] <Sylocat> Ah, maybe the helmet uses electromagnets to actually affect the brainwaves and induce asymptomatic criminality?
[15:07] <Sylocat> Ah… never mind THAT theory then
01[15:07] <Froborr> Oh interesting. If I’m understanding correctly, the helmet induces disassociation?
01[15:08] <Froborr> Oh, no, it just borrows someone else’s pyschopass data.
[15:09] <Sylocat> The plot approaches the viscosity of molasses
[15:10] <Arrlaari> ad
[15:10] <Sylocat> Paused at 16:28
01[15:10] <Froborr> ad
[15:11] <mere_oblivion> pause
01[15:11] <Froborr> I’m getting a lot of car ads.
01[15:12] <Froborr> Or rather, car shop ads, not ads for specific brands of car.
01[15:12] <Froborr> Anyway, paused at 16::30.
[15:12] <Arrlaari> paused after ads
[15:12] <Sylocat> Okay…
[15:12] <Sylocat> Click
[15:13] <Sylocat> This is a cultural commentary on shut-ins
[15:13] <Sylocat> Urobuchi also loves jabs at otaku culture
[15:15] <Sylocat> So how are they going to take him down without the Enforcers?
[15:15] <Sylocat> Ah, there was no one with a Clear Psycho-Pass around
01[15:15] <Froborr> The Enforcers’ psychopasses are criminal-level, remember?
[15:15] <mere_oblivion> ‘deed
01[15:16] <Froborr> That’s why they’re enforcers.
[15:16] <Sylocat> Lucky Akane was out of range then
01[15:16] <Froborr> I mean, that’s why they told her to hang back?
[15:16] <Sylocat> Good point
[15:17] <Sylocat> Saw THAT coming a mile away
01[15:17] <Froborr> Man, this episode had some really BRUTAL killings.
[15:17] <mere_oblivion> Which THAT?
[15:18] <Sylocat> Their attempted betrayal of him would not go well
[15:18] <mere_oblivion> Oh. Right! And yes, Froborr, this was a tough one to watch (or look away from, as i had to several times)
01[15:20] <Froborr> So. Thoughts/comments?
[15:20] <mere_oblivion> Darker and darker
[15:20] <Sylocat> Indeed ’tis
[15:21] <Arrlaari> We now know how Makishima plans to stay ahead of the search for him: By causing so much trouble they can’t afford time to look
[15:21] <mere_oblivion> Sensible strategy.
[15:21] <mere_oblivion> Albeit rather exhausting for him.
[15:22] <mere_oblivion> Esp if he keeps pummeling his flunkies to death
[15:22] <Arrlaari> The conversation between the Ginozas suggests that confidence in society is a major factor in one’s cymatic evaluation
01[15:22] <Froborr> I was going to comment that just once I want to see the flunkies actually successfully turn on the mastermind and take over, but then I remembered iZombie actually did that.
[15:23] <Arrlaari> FF6 did that
[15:23] <Arrlaari> Actually, now that I recall it was the mastermind who turned on the flunky, so maybe that doesn’t count
[15:23] <Sylocat> I was just about to mention that, but then I realized, in most cases like FF6 (and Super Paper Mario), it’s established that the flunky was never really a flunky to begin with
01[15:24] <Froborr> Yeah, the iZombie case is actual flunkies.
[15:24] <Sylocat> I’d like to see a satirical fantasy tale where the hero takes down the evil overlord and now the grunts, ground troops and incompetent henchmen have to run the Evil Empire themselves
[15:25] <mere_oblivion> Well, wuddya waiting for? Get writing!
[15:25] <Sylocat> I have way too many writing projects in the works already sadly
[15:26] <mere_oblivion> I like your point about confidence in society, Arrlaari. It makes sense that if you think the whole system’s a sham you’ll have a tougher time passing (literally) as harmless.
[15:27] <Arrlaari> Notable: the one flashback episode focusing on Yayoi was about this as well
[15:27] <mere_oblivion> Well remembered!
[15:27] <Arrlaari> Yayoi’s crush was organizing against Sybil
[15:29] <mere_oblivion> I keep hoping we’ll come back to those characters
[15:31] <Arrlaari> Curious note: The dominators do cymatic scans but don’t record video
[15:32] <Arrlaari> If they did they’d have had Makishima’s face from the gun-cam
[15:32] <Sylocat> Huh, that is weird
[15:32] <mere_oblivion> Seems like rather a big gap (not that i noticed it!)
01[15:33] <Froborr> Maybe that’d make them too heavy or something.
[15:34] <mere_oblivion> Ah.
01[15:34] <Froborr> Gotta imagine the tech for cymatic scans is pretty hefty.
[15:34] <Arrlaari> They do claim that a scan could not be synthesized without a supercomputer
01[15:36] <Froborr> Any more comments before I paste up?
[15:36] <Arrlaari> Also note that a face concealing mask and body concealing cloak don’t prevent a successful scan
01[15:37] <Froborr> True.
[15:37] <Arrlaari> They expressly note that a null result would trigger a security response
[15:37] <mere_oblivion> Just hoping, well, . . . can’t see how it can get much darker without crossing into that “I don’t need any more of these images upside m’ brain.” As happened to me with Daredevil and parts of Jessica Jones
[15:42] <mere_oblivion> I’m strongly hoping that doesn’t happen, given how much i like this series.
[15:42] <Sylocat> Likewise
01[15:42] <Froborr> Yeah, the artist murders were bad, but this episode… *shudder*

3 thoughts on “Psycho-Pass Season 1 Episodes 13 and 14 Liveblog Chat Thingy!

  1. Sorry, I forgot to mention I wasn’t going to be there this week because of the protests today. I meant to make a post, but I appear to have been fucking up the queueing for most of the past week. :/

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