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[14:01] <Sylocat> Twilight reacts to the election
01[14:02] <Froborr> lol
[14:02] <Sylocat> (sorry, I’ll try not to remind us all of that)
01[14:02] <Froborr> Oh right, Sunset Shimmer eixsts.
01[14:02] <Froborr> How did I forget Best Character?
01[14:02] <Froborr> (Well, after Fluttershy and MAUDE)
[14:02] <Sylocat> She’s basically the main character of the EqG subfranchise at this point
[14:02] <Whammy_> Which works for me.
[14:03] <Sylocat> Indeed
[14:03] <Sylocat> I’ve read like a gazillion fanfics with this premise
[14:03] <Whammy_> “You’ll be back, wait and see. You’ll remember you belong to me…”
[14:03] <Sylocat> Sleep on marshmallow pillows? Is that a reference to that old joke?
01[14:03] <Froborr> Marshmallow pillow sounds lumpy and a bit on the hard side.
[14:04] <Sylocat> Principal Luna does not look good in a hat
01[14:04] <Froborr> Also: the one about dreaming about a giant marshmallow? Probably.
[14:04] <Whammy_> Glad they could raise money for anything.
[14:04] <Whammy_> Considering how much they probably needed to repair the school after how many incidents now?
[14:05] <Whammy_> Then again, they had freaking motorbike track for the Equestria Games so apparently well-funded -shrug-
01[14:05] <Froborr> I mean, their school has at least two professional-calibre rock bands among the students. They can raise money.
[14:05] <Sylocat> Ah Songco and Lewis? They’ve written some good eps
[14:05] <Arrlaari> So is Equestria Girls basically X-men: Girly edition?
[14:05] <Sylocat> Uh oh, ominous eyes
[14:05] <Sylocat> That was how they foreshadowed Tirek
01[14:05] <Froborr> Pretty much. Have you not watched the other movies?
[14:05] <Arrlaari> Like I haven’t seen or read spoilers for the previous movies and suddenly Twilight is having Nightmares about being Dark Phoenix
01[14:06] <Froborr> Oh.
[14:06] <Sylocat> Ah.
01[14:06] <Froborr> Okay, so quick recap:
[14:06] <Sylocat> Well, this is gonna be interesting to summarize
[14:06] <Whammy_> SO Arrlaari clear, this Twilight is human world Twilight.
01[14:06] <Froborr> Sunset Shimmer is Celestia’s protege before Twilight that turned evil and tried to conquer the human world.
[14:06] <Whammy_> Careful spike; they found medieval leprosy dormant in squirrels in Britain
[14:06] <Sylocat> They did?
[14:07] <Whammy_> http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/11/10/501426378/leprosy-surprise-its-hiding-out-in-british-squirrels?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2038
01[14:07] <Froborr> The alt!Main Six reformed her, but then alt!Twilight basically turned into a demon monster thing.
[14:07] <Sylocat> Ahahah….
[14:07] <Sylocat> This is gonna be awkward as heck
[14:08] <Sylocat> So, at least one of these two is evil, right?
[14:08] <Arrlaari> I like the movie’s explanation for itself enough that I’m not going to read y’all explaining until later
[14:08] <Sylocat> Just a hunch
[14:09] <Sylocat> Ahaha, Snowflake is the arty type at heart
[14:09] <Sylocat> Er, Bulk Biceps
[14:09] <Sylocat> I forgot he had an actual canon name now
[14:09] <Arrlaari> They briefly mentioned a forbidden thing, someone is going there and making a big problem
01[14:09] <Froborr> I’m guessing neither is evil, but evil will exploit their rivalry.
[14:10] <Sylocat> Oh, Luna
[14:10] <Whammy_> And it was after Celestia got the sundial that Luna went through her angry phase
[14:11] <Whammy_> Everyone has been assigned their Gemsonas
[14:11] <Sylocat> Ah, a love triangle?
01[14:11] <Froborr> I was just thinking about the SU thing.
[14:11] <Whammy_> -burns it-
[14:11] <Whammy_> -burns it all-
[14:11] <Sylocat> He’s being vaguely creepy
[14:11] <Whammy_> aka “traditional teen movie love interest behavior”
[14:12] <Arrlaari> So equestria girls MLP with a lot more het shipping
[14:12] <Whammy_> hence the “burn it all”
[14:12] <Whammy_> Dammit Trump, don’t ruin MLP for us
[14:12] <Arrlaari> So human filthy rich is a villain
01[14:12] <Froborr> Oh my god, human!Filthy RIch looks PERFECT.
[14:12] <Sylocat> Ah, this world doesn’t have Equestria’s magic-based economy so Filthy Rich is an outright villain here?
01[14:13] <Froborr> Looks like.
[14:13] <Arrlaari> Like in Equestria he probably isn’t even that rich, he just inherited the general store in a rural town and seems rich by comparison to his neighbors
[14:14] <Sylocat> So, are they heading for a Kristoff/Hans twist with Flash and the new guy?
[14:14] <Sylocat> Uh oh
[14:15] <Whammy_> Yay magical rainbow lasers
[14:15] <Sylocat> It’s a puberty metaphor, of course her powers are going to start involuntarily manifesting at the most awkward possible times
01[14:15] <Froborr> And specifically when reminded about her current crush.
[14:16] <Sylocat> Oh… Sunset gets telepathy, the absolute worst nightmare of an awkward teenager
[14:16] <Whammy_> Chipper people also make me nervous
01[14:17] <Froborr> Especially professionally chipper people.
[14:17] <Sylocat> Oh jeez that was the worst line ever
01[14:17] <Froborr> And there we have why Sunset Shimmer is Best Character.
[14:18] <Sylocat> Indeed
[14:18] <Sylocat> And Flash is acting far more reasonable than most love interests in this situation
[14:18] <Whammy_> Hooray child labor for basic camp maintenance!
[14:18] <Sylocat> (which is a very low bar to clear but still)
[14:19] <Sylocat> Whoa
[14:19] <Sylocat> And this team could actually pull that off, too
[14:19] <Sylocat> Though I’m surprised they agreed on a design that early
01[14:20] <Froborr> lol Applejack showing off her hammer.
[14:20] <Sylocat> Macaroni art, because of course
[14:20] <Sylocat> (I never went to summer camp, is macaroni art an actual thing?)
[14:20] <Whammy_> Went to a several day thing in middle school.
01[14:20] <Froborr> Yes, but not for kids this old.
[14:20] <Whammy_> Got a “smarties award” for saying I was underwhelmed by the waterfall that the park was named after.
01[14:20] <Froborr> It’s a lower elementary school age thing, not high school.
[14:21] <Sylocat> And now each of them gives similarly niche-horror stories, right?
[14:21] <Whammy_> aka teachers called me a smartass for not being impressed by waterfall.
[14:21] <Sylocat> “Gaia Everfree?” Now that’s an interesting monster name
01[14:21] <Froborr> Wilhelm scream.
[14:21] <Sylocat> WHOA.
[14:21] <Sylocat> I like the design
[14:22] <Sylocat> Seems like Fluttershy would befriend her pretty quick
01[14:22] <Froborr> Okay, but this is basically the plot of the current season of American Horror Story (sans exploration of racial tension).
[14:22] <Sylocat> I mean, that’s both of Fluttershy’s schticks in one
[14:24] <Whammy_> And to be fair, Equestria booting their problems to somewhere else has been a rather routine plan.
[14:24] <Sylocat> Indeed
[14:25] <Sylocat> Wait, does dog!Spike have a cutie mark?
01[14:25] <Froborr> Dunno. Look out for it next time he’s onscreen?
[14:26] <Sylocat> The boat didn’t have an aura, so I’m assuming it was Gaia and not Twilight
[14:26] <Sylocat> Hey, don’t facepalm at Trixie, she just helped save the day in the S6 finale
01[14:26] <Froborr> IIRC this movie came out before that. *shrug*
[14:26] <Sylocat> Good point
01[14:27] <Froborr> Thanks to Arrlarri, I now can’t stop thinking of this as basically Dark Phoenix Saga: The Musical.
[14:27] <Sylocat> The Dark Phoenix Saga really deserved a way better movie than X3
[14:28] <Sylocat> Interesting that she refers to it as “Midnight,” sort of a callback to both Luna’s and Sunset’s evil phases
01[14:28] <Froborr> No, he doesn’t have a cutie mark, just marks on his back that reflect dragon!Spike’s um, spikes.
[14:29] <Whammy_> -burns it all-
[14:29] <Sylocat> “I’ve never told that to anyone.” Yeah right
[14:30] <Whammy_> -burns forced in heterosexual romance-
[14:30] <Sylocat> Ooh, a gem climbing wall
[14:30] <Sylocat> Wait, no, a seashell-climbing wall
[14:30] <Sylocat> And horseshoes?
01[14:30] <Froborr> So it’s a Lucky Charms marbit climbing wall.
[14:30] <Sylocat> …That works better
01[14:31] <Froborr> Okay, that’s not a twist I was expecting. They’re ALL getting magic.
[14:31] <Sylocat> Is this Gaia granting them powers to sow friction?
01[14:32] <Froborr> Certainly looks that way.
[14:32] <Whammy_> Because of course Pinkie gets explosive sprinkles.
[14:33] <Arrlaari> They are literally X-men now
01[14:34] <Froborr> Yep.
[14:34] <Whammy_> And Pinkie gets to be Gambit
[14:34] <Sylocat> Ahahah… a Cat Scare
01[14:34] <Froborr> And of course Rainbow Dash is Quicksilver.
[14:34] <Sylocat> The Eye Twitch of Doom
01[14:35] <Froborr> We already established Twilight is Phoenix.
[14:35] <Whammy_> -internally screaming-
01[14:35] <Froborr> I dunno of an X-Man who has barrier powers.
[14:35] <Sylocat> And Sunset, who is the most paranoid about other people’s opinions of her, gets telepathy
01[14:35] <Froborr> Oh, good point!
[14:35] <Whammy_> Also the most empathetic of the group.
[14:36] <Sylocat> Barrier powers are Sue Storm’s secondary power besides invisibility IIRC
01[14:36] <Froborr> So Sunset and Twilight have Phoenix’s powers between them.
01[14:36] <Froborr> Which makes sense, given all the other deliberate parallels/mirrorings between them.
[14:36] <Sylocat> Heavy usage of counterpart/foil themes, both in season 6 and in this
[14:37] <Sylocat> AHAHAHAH…
01[14:37] <Froborr> I continue to maintain that whatserface in MLP was created because they realized they’d screwed htemselves out ofa great character in Sunset Shimmer.
[14:37] <Sylocat> I should have seen that coming, but I did not
[14:37] <Whammy_> Starlight Glimmer
01[14:37] <Froborr> That’s the one.
[14:37] <Sylocat> I think that’s basically common knowledge at this point
[14:39] <Whammy_> Sunset asking the important questions
[14:40] <Sylocat> Whoa
[14:40] <Sylocat> It’s a Scooby Doo twist!
[14:41] <Whammy_> Well they do have a talking dog now
01[14:41] <Froborr> But then why did RD’s speed fade the farther she got from the camp, if their powers aren’t coming from the camp?
01[14:41] <Froborr> Good point Whammy.
[14:41] <Sylocat> Well, maybe it only lasts a certain radius from whatever Timber did?
01[14:42] <Froborr> lol
[14:43] <Whammy_> Two good Pinkie jokes.
[14:43] <Whammy_> One dark as heck implying nailbomb, other…that.
[14:43] <Arrlaari> Reminded me of Meet the Pyro
[14:43] <Sylocat> I was expecting her to find out that Pinkie suffers from severe clinical depression
01[14:43] <Froborr> That really was one of the only two ways they could go with Pinkie, and the other wouldn’t work for this movie’s rating.
[14:46] <Sylocat> Uh oh
[14:47] <Sylocat> Is he going to think that she’s saying “I have this friend, see…” to describe her own problems?
[14:47] <Sylocat> Wrong Genre Savvy, and all that
[14:47] <Arrlaari> I suspect this dude really is just worried his sister is overworking herself
[14:48] <Arrlaari> And she is, by a lot
[14:49] <Sylocat> WHAT
[14:49] <Sylocat> …
[14:50] <Sylocat> This has gone several directions at once that I was not expecting
01[14:50] <Froborr> New theory: Timber IS faking Gaea Everfree, with no idea that she’s real and his sister is working with her.
01[14:50] <Froborr> Oh, never mind.
[14:51] <Sylocat> …Wow
[14:52] <Whammy_> Everyone has magic!
[14:53] <Sylocat> Now she really is Gaia Everfree
[14:53] <Sylocat> What is that behind Rarity?
[14:53] <Whammy_> Mannequins
[14:54] <Sylocat> Are Snips and Snails gonna be her groupies now like they were with Trixie and Sunset?
[14:54] <Sylocat> Ah, Pinkie
[14:55] <Sylocat> I’m kinda rooting for her at this point tbh
01[14:55] <Froborr> This is actually a pretty great parody on the standard summer camp movie plot of having to save the camp from the evil real estate developer.
[14:56] <Sylocat> Indeed
01[14:56] <Froborr> Also, this is now even MORE similar to the current season of American Horror Story.
[14:56] <Whammy_> I’m guessing this is what a summer camp run by Poison Ivy would be like
[14:57] <Sylocat> Her usage of time imagery in this song also reminds me of Starlight’s arc in S5, about the Nostalgia Trap
01[14:57] <Froborr> That sorta happened in the comics. When the US gov’t decided to just cut Gotham off from the rest of the world and pretend it didn’t exist,
01[14:57] <Froborr> she took in a bunch of homeless children in the largest park and used her plant powers to keep them safe and fed.
[14:58] <Sylocat> I gotta read that arc
[14:58] <Sylocat> Whoa
[14:58] <Whammy_> I think sending the giant rock AT Gloriosa might have been more effective.
[15:00] <Sylocat> Uh oh
[15:00] <Sylocat> That’s a Berserk Button for her
[15:03] <Sylocat> Hahah, the visual representation of her true identity is those dorky glasses. Of course
[15:04] <Sylocat> Wow. Did they have that armor in the third movie? I don’t remember that
[15:04] <Arrlaari> Ok, so they’re magical pony girls now
01[15:04] <Froborr> No, they didn’t.
[15:04] <Whammy_> Nope, that’s new
[15:04] <Whammy_> Magical girl powerup.
[15:04] <Arrlaari> Ok but what about Capitalism
[15:05] <Whammy_> Sell Rarity diamond
[15:05] <Sylocat> More doll outfits!
[15:05] <Arrlaari> So are they all gijinka now?
[15:06] <Sylocat> “Crystal Ball.” lol
[15:06] <Sylocat> Yeah, Rainbow Dash can just run all over the countryside
[15:07] <Sylocat> Hey, I was right
[15:08] <Sylocat> Whoa.
01[15:08] <Froborr> What was Snowflake DOING?
[15:08] <Sylocat> I want that outfit Bulk Biceps is wearing!
[15:10] <Whammy_> -burns it all-
[15:10] <Sylocat> Gloriosa to the rescue!
[15:10] <Sylocat> (again)
[15:11] <Whammy_> How old is that guy anyway if he’s a camp counsellor?
[15:11] <Whammy_> I mean, grew up there so probably younger side, but, still, fully independent brother/sister running a camp?
[15:12] <Arrlaari> So was that old mansion something y’all recognized from an earlier movie?
01[15:12] <Froborr> I think that was Canterlot High.
01[15:12] <Froborr> The pillar thingy is the link between the worlds from the first movie…
[15:13] <Sylocat> I’m surprised they didn’t show Filthy Rich fuming and vowing revenge
01[15:13] <Froborr> So… my current running theory is that those crystals are what’s left of the Tree of Harmony.
[15:13] <Sylocat> Maybe that’s the post-credits scene
01[15:13] <Froborr> Well, remember, the last movie had a post-credits scene.
[15:13] <Sylocat> Great minds, &c.
[15:13] <Whammy_> Yeah, that was Canterlot High and that statue was the link between Equestria/this place in the movies
01[15:14] <Froborr> My friend Viga insists that Equestria Girls is set in the wolrd of the 90s Nickelodeon cartoon Doug.
[15:14] <Whammy_> pfffffffffffffffffffft
[15:14] <Sylocat> Eeyup
01[15:14] <Froborr> lol
[15:15] <Whammy_> So Pinkie not allowed to throw things anymore
[15:15] <Sylocat> Except objects that would normally be dangerous if exploded, like a box of nails
01[15:16] <Froborr> I’m pretty sure it’s just that she’s not allowed to throw confectionary anymore.
01[15:16] <Froborr> Her power is pretty clearly sugar detonation.
[15:16] <Sylocat> A perfect metaphor for what her metabolism must look like
01[15:17] <Froborr> Haha, true.
[15:17] <Sylocat> Well… Timber aside, I liked it
[15:17] <Sylocat> Every time I thought I knew where it was going, I was mistaken
[15:17] <Whammy_> -has hopefully made my opinion on Timber clear-
01[15:17] <Froborr> Yeah, but annoying heteronormativity has been in all these movies, so I braced myself for that beforehand.
[15:18] <Whammy_> I reviewed the movie when it came out, basically had two main thoughts.
[15:18] <Whammy_> 1) Needs more gay
[15:18] <Whammy_> 2) Rarity and fashion could be toned down a bit, but balanced out by some people of course finding representation in that
[15:18] <Sylocat> I do appreciate that they showed that amicable breakups are a thing
01[15:20] <Froborr> Yes, that was cool.
[15:21] <Whammy_> And can always appreciate more empathy Sunset Shimmer.
[15:21] <Whammy_> -still wants a show centered around Sunset-
[15:22] <Sylocat> EqG is pretty much a show centered around Sunset (and its release schedule isn’t that much worse than Steven Universe’s… shots fired)
[15:23] <Whammy_> ….fair enough
[15:24] <Whammy_> -god hates the so inconsistent SU scheduling-
[15:24] <Whammy_> I mean, full summer of Steven was great, but sheesh
[15:24] <Sylocat> We’re getting ONE new episode in the entire month of November, and one in December as well
01[15:24] <Froborr> I can see I’m going to be in for some fun now that I’m caught up.
[15:25] <Whammy_> Quick, any SU parallels other than being assigned Gemsonas? XD
[15:25] <Sylocat> I loved the Summer of Steven, but if given a choice between that and a regular one episode PER WEEK for a consistent stretch of time, I might prefer the latter
[15:25] <Whammy_> Though I guess better parallels probably be between Sunset, human Twilight, and Starlight
[15:25] <Whammy_> Much in the way of coming to terms with your past failures and learning to trust yourself this season.
[15:26] <Arrlaari> Midnight Sparkle made me think of Nightmare Moon
[15:26] <Arrlaari> Who was of course paralleled with Starlight
01[15:26] <Froborr> Yes, and there was also a point, when Twilight was struggling against the Midnight persona, where her horn looked JUST like Crysalis’.
01[15:27] <Froborr> Who of course was the season villain, and Changelings work well with the “nice on the outside, has something dark within” theme.
01[15:27] <Froborr> *season finale villain
01[15:30] <Froborr> But yeah, this movie had a lot in common with that one Luna episode. “Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep” I think was the title?
[15:30] <Arrlaari> From the premise of Equestria Girls, a plausible revenge scheme for Chrysalis to pursue may be coming to Equestria High, assuming Starlight’s identity, and being awful to everyone before abducting the real Starlight
01[15:30] <Froborr> That would actually work, yeah.
[15:30] <Sylocat> Which makes me wonder if the EqG world has its own version of Chrysalis
[15:31] <Arrlaari> Does it have a version of Discord?
[15:31] <Sylocat> And Sombra, and Discord for that matter
01[15:31] <Froborr> Not that we’ve seen.
01[15:31] <Froborr> I mean, they basically can’t have human!Discord without CBS sueing them, really.
[15:31] <Whammy_> Yeah, figures like Sombra/Discord don’t seem to fit well in “world without magic”
[15:32] <Whammy_> Though ran an RP site once that had a Discord appear in the human world as a reaction to the influx of magic.
[15:32] <Whammy_> I apparently nailed the “Equestria Girls as magical girls” vibe they are now going for.
[15:32] <Arrlaari> It’d probably be better to just have Equestria Discord, he can go there because he’s Discord
[15:33] <Whammy_> Even got the powers right broadly enough….
01[15:33] <Froborr> Yeah, I would assume that there is one Discord for all the worlds. (Though he may sometimes go by Q, Loki, etc.)
[15:33] <Whammy_> Did show that ability to go to alternate dimensions in that episode with the Smooze
[15:34] <Whammy_> But yeah, solid enough.
[15:34] <Whammy_> Still think Rainbow Rocks the best of the EQG.
[15:34] <Arrlaari> One issue with the Chrysalis plot I outlined above is that it falls apart if Sunset touches her
01[15:36] <Froborr> I think I agree with you, Whammy. It was solid. I think this one may be second, though.
[15:37] <Whammy_> Seriously need to cut out the heteronormative stuff though.
[15:37] <Whammy_> Cause god watching the Twilight/Timber stuff
01[15:37] <Froborr> Oh hey, so I just looked it up, and apparently there are going to be three half-hour Equestria Girls specials in 2017?
[15:37] <Whammy_> Almost always immediately followed with everyone else going “oh, yeah, totally cute”
01[15:37] <Froborr> So that’s… close to being a Sunset-centered TV series.
01[15:38] <Froborr> Yeah, they really need to get some gay in there, or else cut the romance crap entirely.
[15:38] <Whammy_> They fixed one issue with Flash, which was “had no role other than love interest”
[15:38] <Whammy_> Er, I mean, in Timber they fixed one of the issues with Flash
01[15:39] <Froborr> Yeah. But we may have a role for Flash, too–I could see where Sunset having a friend outside the Mane Six opens up plot possibilities.
[15:39] <Whammy_> Unless they start trying to pair Sunset and him.
[15:39] <Whammy_> In which case start burning
[15:40] <Whammy_> -feels almost spoiled by SU at this point
01[15:40] <Froborr> Yeah, I know what you mean, Whammy.
[15:40] <Sylocat> Well, comparing pretty much any show to SU is unfair
[15:40] <Whammy_> Nope
[15:40] <Whammy_> Not unfair.
[15:40] <Whammy_> It sets the standard now
[15:41] <Whammy_> Fail to meet it, will note
[15:41] <Whammy_> Especially since MLP originalyl sold as “feminist” with Faust mentioning no plans for romance.
[15:41] <Whammy_> She said while making Rarity’s interest in Blueblood a major point of the finale for Rarity…
[15:42] <Sylocat> Yes, her interest in Blueblood which very swiftly proved disastrous and misguided
[15:43] <Whammy_> Still, something I point to along with other things in list of “reinforcement of heteronormativity” in a series which supposedly has no romance.
[15:43] <Whammy_> Since don’t have to have a romantic love interest arc character to still do that sort of thing.
[15:44] <Whammy_> ….maybe work with my friend on this article this weekend.
[15:44] <Whammy_> Election has put me in a strong “fuck everything” mood lately.
[15:44] <Whammy_> Which is great motivation to write possibly controversial articles XD
01[15:45] <Froborr> I know the feeling.
01[15:51] <Froborr> So, any other comments before I post up?
[15:51] <Whammy_> I got nothing.
[15:52] <Sylocat> *shrugs* I think we’re all a little on edge this weekend
01[15:52] <Froborr> Yeah, probably.