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[13:00] <Sylocat> Evil!Hotaru is camping the heck out of this
[13:00] <Arrlaari> Ungramattical subtitle
01[13:01] <Froborr> “Full of power” is a bit awkward too.
[13:01] <Sylocat> He probably shouldn’t have crushed the Taioron Crystal quite so soon
[13:02] <Arrlaari> I’m getting the sense that the subtitlers lost their native english speaker(s)
[13:03] <Arrlaari> ad
01[13:03] <Froborr> Annnd the ad is misplaced.
[13:03] <Sylocat> Well, song subtitles are always off
[13:03] <Arrlaari> Just a little bit early there
[13:03] <Sylocat> Mid-credit ads, lovely
[13:03] <Arrlaari> Pause after ad or at title card?
01[13:03] <Froborr> Oh god, I’ve got the fucking 3-minute real estate ad.
[13:04] <Sylocat> Ouch
01[13:04] <Froborr> Fuck this Kevin asshole.
[13:04] <Arrlaari> gonna pause at title card
[13:05] <Arrlaari> paused at title card
[13:06] <Arrlaari> Episode 36 Act.35 INFINITY 9 “Infinite Labyrinth” 2fast 2furious
01[13:06] <Froborr> OH MY GOD THAT WASN’T THE ONLY AD.
[13:06] <Sylocat> *headdesks*
[13:07] <Arrlaari> I’ve been getting Clearasil ads
01[13:07] <Froborr> Okay, paused at title card.
[13:08] <Sylocat> Okay then…
[13:08] <Sylocat> Click
01[13:09] <Froborr> The sound effect when Chibiusa opened her eyes was hilarious.
01[13:09] <Froborr> It sounded like a vacuumm cleaner turning off.
[13:09] <Arrlaari> Wow, who would do that kind of thing
01[13:10] <Froborr> Oh, Chibiusa’s in there too. That means they have access to the power of friendship, Mistress 9 is doomed.
[13:10] <Sylocat> Aww
01[13:11] <Froborr> Awww.
[13:12] <Sylocat> Wait, so how did they get there?
[13:12] <Arrlaari> That’s the building they fought Kaolinite in
01[13:12] <Froborr> They were fighting the Witches 5 there, remember?
01[13:12] <Froborr> Yeah, and Kaolinite.
[13:12] <Arrlaari> Wax effigies of the W5, at least
[13:12] <Sylocat> Well yeah, but weren’t they in the basement already?
01[13:13] <Froborr> No, they were wandering the whole building in a labyrinth, weren’t they?
[13:13] <Arrlaari> Kaolinite was on one of the upper floors
[13:13] <Sylocat> Probably…
[13:13] <Sylocat> Ah, so his secret plan is cyborg eugenics
01[13:14] <Froborr> So… did the spirit of Kaolinite just look for the person with the most similar name, or..?
01[13:15] <Froborr> Oh, so it wasn’t possession, Kaori became Kaolinite, I guess that makes more sense.
[13:17] <Sylocat> This is so ’90s sci-fi
01[13:17] <Froborr> That’s disappointing, he’s a pretty typical mad scientist type. No deeper motivation apparently.
[13:17] <Arrlaari> Time bar says to expect an ad late on the transition marker
[13:17] <Sylocat> Yeah, I was hoping it’d turn out he struck the pact with Master Pharoh 90 to save his daughter or something like that
01[13:17] <Froborr> Exactly, Sylo.
01[13:18] <Froborr> Ad.
[13:18] <Arrlaari> ad
01[13:18] <Froborr> Pause at eyecatch?
[13:18] <Arrlaari> The ad happened after the eyecatch
01[13:18] <Froborr> …oh.
01[13:18] <Froborr> Oh for fuck’s sake, it’s Kevin again.
[13:18] <Sylocat> Ouch
[13:20] <Arrlaari> Oh, it’s an ad for the WoW xpac I’ve already bought
[13:20] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
01[13:20] <Froborr> Wait, you have to pay for WoW expansions?
01[13:20] <Froborr> That sucks.
[13:20] <Arrlaari> Base WoW is every expac except the latest
[13:21] <Arrlaari> So you pay to keep caught up
[13:21] <Arrlaari> A couple months ago they incorporated Draenor into base in anticipation of Legion
[13:22] <Arrlaari> So, paused, just after the snap cut from Saturn floating in purple space to top view of elevator.
01[13:23] <Froborr> Paused after ads, FINALLY.
[13:23] <Sylocat> Okay…
[13:23] <Sylocat> Click
01[13:23] <Froborr> To be fair, being trapped in an elevator in a haunted building is PRETTY SCARY.
[13:24] <Arrlaari> For a fast elevator the floors are changing pretty slow
[13:24] <Sylocat> Indeed
01[13:24] <Froborr> It’s a character-development-sensitive elevator.
01[13:24] <Froborr> This arc IS a precursor to Utena, after all.
[13:24] <Sylocat> Ooh, like the Mikage Seminar elevator
01[13:25] <Froborr> Being an Outer Senshi kinda sucks.
01[13:25] <Froborr> Okay, NOW it’s a fast elevator.
[13:25] <Sylocat> Wait, what just happened?
01[13:25] <Froborr> Booby-trapped elevator?
[13:25] <Arrlaari> Looks like they pulled a Dimension Trick
01[13:27] <Froborr> New power?
[13:27] <Sylocat> Hard to keep track
[13:27] <Sylocat> Wait, what?
[13:27] <Arrlaari> An illusion trap, I guess
[13:27] <Sylocat> WHOA
[13:27] <Sylocat> What a reception
01[13:27] <Froborr> I do like that she’s the lead hero, and her powerset is all heals and dispels. It’s an unusual set for the leader, but I like it!
[13:28] <Sylocat> Tomoe’s just like, “Let’s just get to the point.”
[13:29] <Sylocat> Oh, does he have an alt-form too?
[13:29] <Sylocat> Apparently so
01[13:29] <Froborr> Whoa, Usagi’s got some moves.
[13:30] <Sylocat> That debate got settled refreshingly quickly
[13:31] <Sylocat> Aww, poor Hotaru
01[13:32] <Froborr> …can’t they all teleport except Fedora Kamen?
[13:32] <Arrlaari> IIRC the teleport is a coordination move?
01[13:32] <Froborr> Oh.
[13:33] <Arrlaari> Like, with the hands-into-circle ceremony
01[13:33] <Froborr> Well, I’m going to assume the asshole stole their teleportation powers and traded them for his own ending.
[13:33] <Sylocat> Hahah
[13:34] <Arrlaari> preloading next
01[13:34] <Froborr> Likewise.
[13:35] <Sylocat> Same here
[13:35] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
01[13:35] <Froborr> I’m feeling a bit of disappointment with this arc, I was hoping for more ambiguous villains.
[13:35] <Sylocat> Yeah, it seemed like it was building up to that
01[13:36] <Froborr> Like, it would take VERY little to turn this from generic villainy to a theme of going to far to save what you love.
01[13:36] <Froborr> For Pharoah 90 that’s his homeworld, for Tomoe that’s Hotaru.
01[13:36] <Froborr> *too far
[13:37] <Sylocat> I kind of want to write a fanfic retelling this season from that perspective
[13:38] <Sylocat> (or maybe change some other things plus the proper nouns and make it an “original” story)
01[13:38] <Froborr> It would obviously have to climax with Hotaru’s declaration that she’d protect Chibiusa leading to her activating her Sailor Saturn powers and having to be talked down from initiating the apocalypse.
01[13:39] <Froborr> (What? Make a few changes to this season of Sailor Moon and call it an original story? No one has ever done anything like that! Certainly not creating the greatest anime of all time in the process.)
[13:40] <Sylocat> Heheh… I wonder if I could combine it with that FMA/Legend of Korra crossover fic idea I’ve been toying with for years now
[13:40] <Arrlaari> I was meaning to point that out, but the period between “that’s a spoiler” and “that’s so obvious it goes without saying” is very short
[13:40] <Sylocat> Yes, yes it is
[13:41] <Arrlaari> although imo it’s a mixup of two character’s personal arcs and the D-point plot from the first season of 90’s sailor moon
[13:42] <Sylocat> Ah, right, the next episode… so, everyone ready?
[13:42] <Arrlaari> ready
01[13:42] <Froborr> It just occurred to me that the biggest change from Sailor Moon to Utena is that Tuxedo Mask is ACTUALLY the villain of Utena, instead of that just being our joke.
[13:42] <Sylocat> Click
[13:43] <Arrlaari> Uh, I might have accidentally skipped an episode, what’s happening for you two?
[13:44] <Sylocat> A building just blew up
01[13:44] <Froborr> Mistress 9 is blowing stuff up.
[13:44] <Arrlaari> ok I definitely skipped
01[13:44] <Froborr> Yep, same for us.
01[13:44] <Froborr> Nope, this is the next episode.
[13:44] <Arrlaari> I am seeing things you aren’t
[13:44] <Arrlaari> which are spoilers because they’re from next episode
01[13:44] <Froborr> Oh.
01[13:44] <Froborr> Woops.
[13:45] <Arrlaari> I’ll catch up when you pause after OP
01[13:45] <Froborr> Well, we’ll wait at the end of the ad for you.
01[13:45] <Froborr> Yeah.
[13:45] <Sylocat> Ok… start over? Episode 37, Act 36, Infinity 10, Richard III, Gesundheit
[13:46] <Sylocat> …The animation of that grin looks like a beginner-level Flash cartoon
01[13:46] <Froborr> Heh.
[13:46] <Sylocat> Kind of jarring
[13:46] <Arrlaari> Her hair keeps getting bigger
[13:47] <Sylocat> Ah, so the ad is at the right place this time
01[13:48] <Froborr> Yeah, the four things I remember from the compilation movie or whatever the fuck it was I saw when I was a kid are demonic cantaloupes (which I think are the eggs from this arc), Sailor Uranus and Neptune fighting something by themselves, a girl with a scythe, and Mistress 9’s hair.
[13:49] <Arrlaari> Clearasil’s “we know a lot about acne but we don’t know a lot about teens” gag wears thin quick
01[13:49] <Froborr> The sheer number of ads on Crunchyroll wears thin quickly.
[13:49] <Sylocat> Any gag wears thin quick if you have to hear it as often as we have to hear these damn ads over and over again
01[13:50] <Froborr> Paused at title card.
[13:50] <Arrlaari> paused at title card
[13:50] <Sylocat> Ok…
[13:50] <Sylocat> Click
01[13:51] <Froborr> Mistress 9 has a bit of a goblin thing going.
01[13:51] <Froborr> That or she’s off-model.
[13:52] <Sylocat> Uh oh… are they inadvertently putting the Talismans in position?
01[13:52] <Froborr> Looks like.
01[13:52] <Froborr> Oogh.
[13:52] <Sylocat> Whoa
01[13:53] <Froborr> Okay, kitty paws working the controls are adorable.
01[13:53] <Froborr> What the fuck is her face.
01[13:53] <Froborr> They’re clearly doing it deliberately at this point.
[13:53] <Sylocat> Whoa… shades of Lapis Lazuli and Jasper here
[13:54] <Sylocat> Come on, ChibiUsa, kick her ass already
01[13:55] <Froborr> Man, I just figured out what her face reminds me of, it’s like Higurashi.
[13:56] <Arrlaari> Hostes appears to just be the Tau word meaning “soul”
01[13:57] <Froborr> Congrats, 9, you just gave Hotaru the opportunity to bring the four inner senshi together with Chibiusa.
01[13:58] <Froborr> Oh. Yeah. Or her desire to protect Chibiusa causes her to go Sailor Saturn and start the apocalypse. Yeah.
[13:58] <Arrlaari> eyecatch, ad
01[13:58] <Froborr> Same.
01[13:59] <Froborr> Seriously Kevin, you open your ad by announcing you live in the same city as me.
01[13:59] <Froborr> I could very easily find out where you live.
01[13:59] <Froborr> This was not a good plan on your part.
[13:59] <Arrlaari> It was not Kevin’s plan
[13:59] <Arrlaari> Nobody told Kevin what they were going to do with the tape
01[14:00] <Froborr> So this is actually a plot by somebody with a grudge against Kevin?
[14:00] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
01[14:02] <Froborr> I dunno, there’s this creepy bit at the end where a whole sequence of people talk up Kevin, and the last two are “Kevin is trustworthy” and “Just meet him, you’ll see.”
01[14:02] <Froborr> Yeah, that’s not a cult at all.
01[14:02] <Froborr> Like, if you need to pay an actor to tell me that you can be trusted…
01[14:02] <Froborr> Well, “actor”
01[14:03] <Froborr> Closing in on FIVE FUCKING MINUTES of ads.
01[14:03] <Froborr> Paused at second eyecatch, finally.
[14:03] <Sylocat> Whew
[14:03] <Sylocat> Okay…
[14:03] <Sylocat> Click
[14:05] <Sylocat> Wait… don’t tell me this is an actual heroic sacrifice
[14:05] <Sylocat> She’s gonna be okay, right?
[14:05] <Arrlaari> “it may be strange because we are gal pals”
01[14:06] <Froborr> I mean, there’s a guy with vaguely defined spirit medium powers, possibly the most powerful healer/paladin-type in the world, and said healer/paladin’s heir. And the three of them together can cause the Holy Grail to manifest.
01[14:06] <Froborr> I’m not *too* worried this is going to stick.
[14:06] <Sylocat> If not, they’re really milking it though
01[14:06] <Froborr> Especially because of how obvious it is that Chibiusa and Hotaru’s, um, “gal pals” parallel Uranus and Neptune.
01[14:08] <Froborr> I could be wrong, though, that was a pretty last-words-y speech from Hotaru.
[14:08] <Sylocat> Mistress 9 is about to get smacked down worse than Gideon Graves
01[14:09] <Froborr> Wait, is TUXEDO MASK the apocalypse maiden now?
01[14:09] <Froborr> YES, SAILOR JUPITER, THANKS FOR NOTICING
01[14:09] <Froborr> TRY TO KEEP UP
[14:10] <Arrlaari> It’s nice that Pink Sugar Heart attack is more than a recurring slapstick gag
01[14:11] <Froborr> Yeah. Also, damn Chibi-Usa, right in the back.
[14:11] <Arrlaari> You don’t do Chibi-Usa’s girlfriend like that and get honor back
[14:11] <Sylocat> So, now they just have to take down Master Pharoh 90 himself?
[14:11] <Sylocat> Oh wait, Mistress 9’s not done yet?
01[14:12] <Froborr> Yeah, it’s just, if you had asked me yesterday who the first magical girl I’d watch fire a killshot into someone from behind would be, Chibiusa would not be my pick.
01[14:13] <Froborr> Time shenanigans fucking with the magical macguffins again, I see.
[14:14] <Sylocat> So, that Talisman really was that one that ChibiUsa made in pottery class? I really like that
[14:15] <Sylocat> Of course, THAT’S where it leaves off
01[14:15] <Froborr> Well.
01[14:15] <Froborr> So next time we finish the season.
[14:15] <Arrlaari> Indeed
[14:15] <Sylocat> Then it’s back to Ponies, and then we resume Psycho-Pass
01[14:16] <Froborr> Yep.
[14:22] <Sylocat> Meantime I’m gonna tinker with that fanfic idea…
[14:23] <Arrlaari> I strongly recommend finding time to watch the 90’s anime version of this season
01[14:23] <Froborr> I was actually thinking about that earlier.
01[14:24] <Froborr> Because you mentioned that the villains get more character development, and that’s the main flaw here.
[14:24] <Arrlaari> The Diamon have distinct and striking visual design, one gets substantially more time with Uranus and Neptune: Glamorous Teen Lesbians
[14:24] <Sylocat> Yeah, I’m gonna watch that at some point
[14:24] <Sylocat> (now that Nicholas Nickleby is over, I actually have time to)
[14:27] <Arrlaari> Most of the Witches 5 get more time, it’s true, but I wouldn’t say they get to be more sympathetic, and Pharoh 90 appears to be basically unchanged other than giving all his lines to Mistress 9
[14:28] <Arrlaari> Which is an improvement, because Pharoh 90 basically doesn’t have anything interesting to say
[14:29] <Sylocat> Indeed
01[14:31] <Froborr> Yeah, he’s pretty boring.
01[14:31] <Froborr> Wiseman at least seemed to be having fun.
[14:31] <Sylocat> It was Wiseman who was the less interesting one in the original anime IIRC
[14:32] <Sylocat> (though I only saw the dub at the time)
[14:33] <Arrlaari> The old anime gave Wiseman / Death Phantom a lot less time, it’s true
[14:33] <Arrlaari> They cut out his whole origin story and left the impression that this dude is actually the Grim Reaper
[14:35] <Arrlaari> They also left out the story of how the Black Moon clan got exiled and left behind the impression that they had a legitimate greivance instead of sour grapes over failing to mount their reactionary coup
[14:43] <Arrlaari> So, during the episode we noted that this season of Sailor Moon provides some very specific precedents for, shall we say, major elements of Madoka Magica
01[14:43] <Froborr> Um, we did?
[14:43] <Arrlaari> Were you talking about Utena? I was talking about Madoka Magica.
01[14:45] <Froborr> I was talking about Utena.
[14:45] <Sylocat> Yeah, I was thinking of Utena… but it’s got some hints for Madoka too
01[14:45] <Froborr> I’m not sure I see much Madoka connection, but my brain is suboptimal today. Walk me through it?
[14:47] <Arrlaari> Madoka/Homura visually mirror Chibi-usa/Hotaru. If you go looking for other common elements between Homura and Hotaru, you find them – sickly, isolated, motivated to sacrifice themselves by deep attacment to their first friend
[14:47] <Sylocat> Well, Hotaru’s death scene did remind me of Madoka’s and Homura’s finall scene in the void
01[14:48] <Froborr> That’s very true.
[14:48] <Sylocat> Also what Arrlaari said
[14:49] <Arrlaari> I don’t recall it happening in the 90’s anime, but the bit where Mistress 9 swallows Chibi-usa’s Silver Crystal may have been a visual referent of the bit at the end of Rebellion when Homura swallows the spool of pink thread
01[14:50] <Froborr> Hmm, the question would be whether it was in the manga or not.
[14:50] <Arrlaari> (to be a referent it would have to happen in the manga)
[14:51] <Arrlaari> I mentioned earlier the D-point arc from the first season, which I would argue is the template for Madoka Magica’s first season
[14:53] <Sylocat> Ah, so that’s what you meant
[14:57] <Arrlaari> Madoka’s connection to Chibi-Usa is looser, in part because Madoka is also connected to Usagi and in part because Madoka is the same age as Homura/Hotaru instead of being a 900 year old preteen
[14:58] <Arrlaari> But Madoka’s anxious desire to find a calling that is of benefit to a lot of people and the readiness with which she directs that to being a Magical Girl are Chibi-Usa’s desire to grow up to be the next Sailor Moon with the serial number filed off
[15:02] <Arrlaari> At the end of Rebellion, when Madoka is introduced to the class in Homura’s place, one of the anonymous students calls out “she looks like a grade schooler,” and she does look like a specific grade schooler
[15:02] <Arrlaari> I’ve seen fanart in which Madoka and Sailor Moon are drawn together and Madoka was drawn at just over Chibi-Moon’s height – as I’ve mentioned before, canonically Madoka is the same height as Usagi
[15:04] <Sylocat> Well, they certainly don’t look the same height, but that’s more due to the different art style of the two shows
[15:10] <Sylocat> Welp, I gotta go… this is a really good discussion
[15:12] <Arrlaari> In Sailor Moon, Chibi-Usa and Hotaru share the extremely specific experience of the season villain transforming their bodies into adult versions. Madoka Magica doesn’t go there exactly, but Ultimate Madoka’s physical appearance is subtly adjusted in ways socially coded for adulthood
[15:13] <Arrlaari> And while as far as I can tell Ultimate Homura’s body isn’t substantially transformed, the animators initially gave her lipstick, then an earring to go with it, before going back on the lipstick in the disc version
[15:13] <Arrlaari> fashion choices socially coded for adults
[15:20] <Arrlaari> That’s all I have for until you see D-point