SMC S3E1 and MLPFIM S6E5 Liveblog Chat Thingy!

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After the chat, I will update this post with the log.

ETA: Chatlog after the cut!

SMC S3E1

[14:02] <@Sylocat> Ah yes, this is the Holy Grail arc?
01[14:02] <Froborr> No idea.
[14:03] <@Sylocat> Ah… those are Uranus’s and Neptune’s colors, IIRC
[14:03] <@Sylocat> Ahahah… I love the villain name
01[14:03] <Froborr> Cryptic evil-sounding dude wants a crystal, and as we learned from the last two episodes, anything involving crystals is about the Sailors.
01[14:03] <Froborr> Yeah, “Pharoah 90” is pretty great.
01[14:03] <Froborr> It implies another 89?
[14:03] <@Sylocat> And they Katakana-ized his full title, “Master Pharoh 90.”
[14:04] <@Sylocat> ooh, new opening!
01[14:04] <Froborr> Wait, did I just see a mention of three talismans, a mirror, and a sword?
01[14:04] <Froborr> Aren’t those two of the three traditional treasures of the Japanese royal family?
01[14:04] <Froborr> (Wish I could remember what the third was)
[14:04] <@Sylocat> Ah, is that Saturn?
01[14:04] <Froborr> Wait, is that Pluto? Didn’t she die?
[14:05] <@Sylocat> I have a feeling death is a temporary state, especially since she was the guardian between worlds or something
[14:05] <@Sylocat> (that, plus time travel)
01[14:05] <Froborr> Point.
01[14:05] <Froborr> I am seeing a very heartening and encouraging complete absence of Tuxedo Mask.
01[14:05] <Froborr> Paused at title card in case of ads?
[14:05] <@Sylocat> Wasn’t that him who just woke up in that bed?
[14:05] <@Sylocat> Oh, ou mean in the opening
[14:06] <@Sylocat> Ah, I’ll rewind to the title card
01[14:06] <Froborr> Sorry, guess neither of us has ads.
[14:06] <@Sylocat> Yeah… Crunchyroll is unreliable like that
[14:06] <@Sylocat> Okay, paused at title card…
[14:06] <@Sylocat> Click
[14:07] <@Sylocat> Yep, Tuxedo Fedora is still involved, sadly
01[14:07] <Froborr> Okay, that was weird–was Mamoru dreaming he was a girl?
01[14:07] <Froborr> Oh, no, just multiple people having the same vision.
[14:07] <@Sylocat> I think he was sharing a dream with that other girl, who I’m assuming is Saturn
[14:07] <@Sylocat> I seem to remember Saturn starting out as an antagonist in the other anime? Can’t remember though
01[14:08] <Froborr> PLEASE keep in mind that I HAVE NOT SEEN the original series or read the manga, I do NOT know who these characters are on sight.
[14:08] <@Sylocat> “Usagi is a perpetual child.” classic
[14:08] <@Sylocat> Ah, sorry
01[14:08] <Froborr> “Unidentified monster emerges,” so Sunydale Syndrome isn’t a thing here I guess?
[14:08] <@Sylocat> I was just thinking the same thing
[14:08] <@Sylocat> Like, the NEWS is reporting on this? That’s jarring for this genre
[14:09] <@Sylocat> Yep, Chibiusa’s still got the Electra complex
[14:10] <@Sylocat> Ah, flashback for those who are just tuning in
[14:10] <@Sylocat> (I originally wrote that as “just tooning in.” I still associate this series with Toonami)
01[14:10] <Froborr> lol
[14:10] <@Sylocat> Wait, Usagi didn’t get the vision?
[14:11] <@Sylocat> But Rei did… she’s a shrine maiden though
01[14:11] <Froborr> Apparently not? Weird.
01[14:12] <Froborr> Wait, is this the same guy we were shipping with Sailor Jupiter last season?
[14:12] <@Sylocat> The race car driver? Nope
01[14:12] <Froborr> Wait, no, I recognize these two!
01[14:13] <Froborr> They’re the “cousins”, right?
[14:13] <@Sylocat> Yeah, even if you haven’t seen the series, sheer pop-cultural osmosis can tell you who they are
01[14:13] <Froborr> The ones that Utena and Anthy originate from.
[14:13] <@Sylocat> (and yes, the original series started out leading us to think Haruka was a boy as well)
01[14:13] <Froborr> Okay, yeah, this is clearly made with an expectation that they’ve picked up some new viewers, interesting.
[14:14] <@Sylocat> Yeah… maybe I could ask dad to join us for these as well
[14:14] <@Sylocat> They katakanized “clutch” and “engine.” Huh.
01[14:14] <Froborr> …Why would you need a helmet to play a video game?
[14:15] <@Sylocat> I’m having flashbacks to that cheesy-but-glorious “NASCAR Racers” cartoon I used to watch right after Digimon on Fox Kids
01[14:16] <Froborr> Okay, this is clearly them deliberately making contact for some reason.
[14:16] <@Sylocat> They’re being rather overt
01[14:16] <Froborr> Ah, Utena has the “I’m going to add this person to my harem” blush.
01[14:16] <Froborr> *Usagi
[14:16] <@Sylocat> Yep… and she’s bi, so it’s not even a Twelfth Night thing
01[14:17] <Froborr> Who do you mean, Usagi or proto-Utena?
[14:17] <@Sylocat> Did you get an ad? There should have been one right there
01[14:17] <Froborr> No, I didn’t.
[14:17] <@Sylocat> Usagi
01[14:17] <Froborr> Ah. Yes.
[14:17] <@Sylocat> Alright… I paused at the title card just to be safe
[14:17] <@Sylocat> Click
[14:18] <@Sylocat> “Reclamation projects?”
[14:19] <@Sylocat> “His” last name is Tenoh, even
01[14:19] <Froborr> Well. That’s a lot more efficient than Beryl’s method of turning people into monsters.
[14:19] <@Sylocat> Yep
[14:19] <@Sylocat> Beryl actually went through the trouble of TEMPTING them
01[14:19] <Froborr> Ooh, new transformation sequence!
[14:20] <@Sylocat> Ooh, pretty
01[14:20] <Froborr> Oh, I love that Mercury’s has hints of ice skating!
[14:20] <@Sylocat> Yeah…
[14:20] <@Sylocat> (and we now know Maud Pie can ice skate)
01[14:21] <Froborr> This is reminding me a bit of the group transformation sequence in Rebellion, where they each use a different style of dancing.
[14:22] <@Sylocat> Given their associations with the Four Elements, it reminds me a little of Avatar
01[14:22] <Froborr> That too.
[14:23] <@Sylocat> “Guardian of Protection?”
[14:23] <@Sylocat> Guardian of Redundancy more like
01[14:23] <Froborr> lol
01[14:23] <Froborr> Ooh, I love the Mercury!vision, I don’t remember if they had that in the first two seasons.
[14:23] <@Sylocat> (like “Pope Saint Leo The Great,” meaning “Great Great Great the Great”)
01[14:24] <Froborr> Whoa. I LIKE these two new attacks.
[14:24] <@Sylocat> Easy come, easy go
[14:25] <@Sylocat> So, if the monsterizers don’t bother exploiting people’s psychological weaknesses, the tradeoff is they’re way quicker to defeat
01[14:25] <Froborr> Looks that way.
[14:25] <@Sylocat> They just want an excuse to go in and explore the place
01[14:25] <Froborr> New ending!
01[14:25] <Froborr> Ooh, I like how it opens.
[14:25] <@Sylocat> And the ED is a spoiler re: Haruka’s gender
01[14:26] <Froborr> Yeah, but even I recognized her from pop-cultural osmosis, so.
[14:26] <@Sylocat> Yeah… IIRC, in the original series it was revealed at the end of her first episod
01[14:26] <Froborr> Oh hey, I recognize that thing with the flowers from Utena.
[14:27] <@Sylocat> Yep
[14:27] <@Sylocat> I’d forgotten how direct an influence this was
01[14:28] <Froborr> Ah, here we go! The three sacred treasures of Japan are the sword Kusanagi, the mirror Yata no Kagami, and the jewel Yasakani no Magatama, representing (respectively) valor, wisdom, and benevolence.

MLPFIM S6E5

[14:32] <@Sylocat> “Gauntlet of Fire.” This will be an interesting one
[14:32] <@Sylocat> Does her hard hat have a bow on it?
01[14:33] <Froborr> Yes it does.
[14:33] <@Sylocat> Whoa, what’s happening to Spike?
[14:33] <mere_oblivion> The perils of bodyguarding in a mine.
01[14:33] <Froborr> SPIKE is evolving!
[14:34] <mere_oblivion> So male characters can do that!
[14:34] <@Sylocat> Ooh, it’s written by Lewis and Songco, who wrote “Castle Sweet Castle,” “Rarity Investigates,” and “Hooffields and McColts”
[14:34] <@Sylocat> I like the increased presence of Celestia and Luna in the series
01[14:34] <Froborr> There’s a dragonlord?
[14:34] <@Sylocat> Wait, what? Dragons have a biological pager?
[14:35] <@Sylocat> AHAHAH
01[14:35] <Froborr> lol
[14:35] <@Sylocat> They borrowed this cosplay from Maud
[14:36] <@Sylocat> Garble doesn’t get sarcasm, apparently
[14:36] <@Sylocat> Whoa
[14:36] <@Sylocat> This guy looks like the final boss from How To Train Your Dragon
01[14:37] <Froborr> Oh, so there are female dragons.
[14:37] <@Sylocat> Uh oh… is Spike going to get an actual girlfriend?
[14:37] <mere_oblivion> A very, very small one.
[14:37] <@Sylocat> He has a cockney accent
01[14:37] <Froborr> “Flamecano”?
[14:37] <@Sylocat> WHOA
[14:37] <mere_oblivion> So who(m) do dragons slay?
[14:38] <mere_oblivion> This guy makes Tom Hardy sound like Liberace.
[14:38] <@Sylocat> Okay, is this VA doing a Bob Hoskins impression?
[14:39] <mere_oblivion> Oh, she isn’t a very, very small girlfriend after all.
[14:39] <@Sylocat> She’s a teenager
01[14:39] <Froborr> Hahaha, Amber’s eyerolling, I like her already.
01[14:40] <Froborr> Okay, I like that it’s about her size not her gender.
[14:40] <@Sylocat> “Pillage Equestria for all their pillows.”
[14:41] <@Sylocat> So, Spike’s gonna wind up helping the princess win, I assume
01[14:41] <Froborr> Yep.
[14:41] <Arrlaari> Video sound cut out for anyone else?
01[14:41] <Froborr> Nope.
[14:42] <@Sylocat> The sound? IT’s still going for me
[14:42] <mere_oblivion> Yep
[14:42] <mere_oblivion> But mine’s back
[14:42] <Arrlaari> The whole video seemed to hitch on a point
[14:42] <@Sylocat> WHOA
[14:42] <@Sylocat> I assume that’s the princess, in the gold armor?
[14:42] <@Sylocat> Yep
[14:42] <mere_oblivion> Shades of The Goblet of Fire
01[14:43] <Froborr> Oh, her name is Ember, not Amber, of course.
[14:43] <@Sylocat> Ah, so the episode’s title is a reference rather than a pun?
[14:43] <Arrlaari> moving past the hitch fixed it
01[14:44] <Froborr> WIlhelm scream.
[14:44] <@Sylocat> I’m guessing she wins because the others are too busy screwing each other over
[14:45] <mere_oblivion> Excellent
[14:45] <@Sylocat> Shouldn’t she put the helmet back on? She’s supposed to be competing incognito
[14:46] <mere_oblivion> Good point
01[14:46] <Froborr> Awesome, tsundere dragon princess.
[14:46] <Arrlaari> How is Spike helping here
[14:46] <Arrlaari> Oh
[14:46] <Arrlaari> That’s how
[14:46] <Arrlaari> I was going to say his eyes are pointing the wrong way
[14:47] <@Sylocat> Wait, does the cave actually have moving stalactites or is this some monster’s mouth they’re flying through?
[14:47] <Arrlaari> But  they’re actually pointing the way her eyes aren’t
01[14:47] <Froborr> I think it’s moving stalactites.
[14:47] <@Sylocat> Gargle pulled a Wile E. Coyote
[14:48] <@Sylocat> Yep, tsundere dragon princess
[14:48] <@Sylocat> (at least Spike didn’t introduce himself by accidentally groping her)
[14:48] <Arrlaari> I like how she’s smart enought to wonder that
[14:50] <@Sylocat> Uh, did Twilight forget she can fly?
[14:50] <@Sylocat> Though I suppose anyone but a dragon would have trouble flying in this cave
[14:51] <@Sylocat> AHAHAH
01[14:51] <Froborr> lol
01[14:51] <Froborr> HAHAHA the reaction of that other dragon.
[14:51] <@Sylocat> He commands them to get in touch with their feelings
[14:51] <mere_oblivion> Nice teeth
[14:51] <@Sylocat> And some of the dragons secretly relish the excuse
[14:53] <@Sylocat> He came around quick
[14:53] <mere_oblivion> I’ll say
01[14:54] <Froborr> Congrats, you’ve successfully interfered in a neighboring country’s succession of government to place someone more favorable to you on the throne!
[14:54] <@Sylocat> Camo-what? I missed the pun at the end
01[14:54] <Froborr> Yeah, I didn’t catch that either.
[14:54] <@Sylocat> I’ll look up the transcript
01[14:54] <Froborr> So, like basically everything this season, that was… all right.
[14:54] <@Sylocat> Ah, “Camo-Maud.”
[14:55] <mere_oblivion> I thought this one had a bit more substance to it.
[14:55] <@Sylocat> Something tells me the writers have figured out that Maud is the fan favorite
[14:56] <@Sylocat> I wonder if the reason the last couple two-parters have been lower-key is because they’re putting more adventure arcs in the regular season
[14:57] <Arrlaari> This episode reminds me of Pete Kropotkin
[14:57] <Arrlaari> Uh, Peter. Peter Kropotkin.
[14:57] <@Sylocat> How so?
[14:57] <mere_oblivion> Peter Kropotkin the Russian socialist?
[14:58] <@Sylocat> Aristocrat-turned-anarchocommunist
[14:58] <Arrlaari> Russian anarcho-socialist AND author of Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution
[14:58] <mere_oblivion> Really? I didn’t know that about him
01[14:58] <Froborr> Ah, I see what you’re saying.
[15:00] <@Sylocat> I think his formal title was actually “Prince.” I could be misremembering
[15:00] <@Sylocat> *googles* nope
[15:00] <@Sylocat> At least according to Wikipedia
[15:01] <mere_oblivion> The anarchist formerly known as Prince?
[15:01] <@Sylocat> …I would call that a dad joke, except I actually wish I’d thought of that one myself
[15:02] <mere_oblivion> You mean it’s NOT one of the worst jokes in the known or unknown universe?!?
[15:02] <@Sylocat> (I kid, I kid, don’t worry)
[15:02] <@Sylocat> (yes, when I was a kid, I literally described his jokes as “the worst jokes in the known or unknown universe”)
[15:03] <mere_oblivion> How much funnier I’ve grown since then!
[15:03] <Arrlaari> Anyway, the main thrust of this episode is that a cooperative unit of the two weakest dragons narrowly bests the strongest single dragon in the competition to survive a hostile environment
[15:04] <mere_oblivion> WHich is why i think it has a bit more substance than previous ones from this season (at least that i’ve seen)
01[15:04] <Froborr> So I just did some digging, and the Kropotkins hold the rank of knyazs, usually translated as “prince.”
01[15:04] <Froborr> *held
[15:04] <Arrlaari> And the thesis of Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution, is that species which cooperate with each other are best able to survive adverse factors in the environment
[15:05] <mere_oblivion> Oh, I have to go shovel stones (a long and amazingly tedious story). See you all next week (except Sylo, whom I’ll see tonight on stage).
[15:05] <@Sylocat> See ya
01[15:05] <Froborr> Later mere!
[15:05] <Arrlaari> (I’ve seen it speculated that Kropotkin’s emphasis on a hostile environment is a consequence of his observations during geological surveys of Siberia, in contrast to Darwin’s work being rooted in jungle islands)
[15:09] <@Sylocat> According to Google he did some important early research into the study of symbiosis
[15:09] <@Sylocat> Or something like that
01[15:10] <Froborr> And of course you’ve got the parallel to Spike giving up being dragonlord.
[15:10] <@Sylocat> Indeed
[15:10] <@Sylocat> (whoa, Kropotkin dropped his title when he was 12!)
[15:12] <@Sylocat> I highly doubt (to put it mildly) that the parallels were intentional, but the more I read, they really make sense
[15:14] <Arrlaari> Competition is for suckers, it’s cooperators who win, is also the thesis of Adam Smith, a fact which is often obscured by the fact that Adam smith was discussing a class of people Adam Smith wanted to lose, and therefor Adam Smith wanted them to compete with each other
[15:19] <@Sylocat> …
[15:19] <Arrlaari> Smith may in fact be the more applicable example, in that while Kropotkin contrasts cooperation of all against individual competition of all, Smith describes the advantages sub-groups obtain over atomized competition
[15:19] <@Sylocat> Something that elites throughout history have made great use of
[15:21] <@Sylocat> AnCaps tend to assume that everyone will play by the same rules of competition, and in fact frequently behave as though that was actually the case
[15:23] <@Sylocat> So… any further thoughts on the episode?
[15:24] <Arrlaari> In this episode, the two cooperating Dragons obtain power over the atomized dragon society as a whole – Ember becomes Dragonlord, and Spike becomes Friend-Of-Dragonlord
[15:25] <Arrlaari> A status that other Dragons were not aware of, but consistent with Spike’s existing status as Friend-Of-Princess-Twilight
01[15:26] <Froborr> And he’s the hero of the Crystal Empire.
01[15:26] <Froborr> Spike is actually in a position of tremendous, albeit unofficial, power.
01[15:28] <Froborr> (Also I think your read of Smith is… unusual, to say the least, but am not up to the discussion right now.)
[15:28] <Arrlaari> Yet he’s free to not excercise that power without being held irresponsible. Trading Dragonlord for Friend-of-Dragonlord preserves that.
01[15:28] <Froborr> Yep.
[15:31] <@Sylocat> Incidentally, I like that, twice now in one season, they’ve had a male-female friendship in which anything approaching romance is left entirely to the fanfic writers
01[15:32] <Froborr> Which is exactly how it should be.
01[15:32] <Froborr> I still maintain we should have a century-long moratorium on het romance.
[15:35] <@Sylocat> Seconded

8 thoughts on “SMC S3E1 and MLPFIM S6E5 Liveblog Chat Thingy!

  1. My schedule is slightly awkward over the next couple weeks. Specifically, the next two Saturdays in a row I won’t be able to make it, because this coming Saturday I’ll be at American Players Theatre in Spring Green performing a few scenes on their stage to support YSP (yes, seriously, I’m getting a chance to perform at APT holy shit my life has gone insane), and the Saturday after that I’ll be in Dodgeville for the twice-annual Ring Game. Dad won’t be able to make it either, since he’ll be in the audience at APT and then he’ll be at Nicholas Nickleby rehearsals, which start next week (for the full production this time rather than just the workshop!).

    I hate to ask, but is there some other time of the week that works for people? Maybe in the evening, or a weekday afternoon?

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  2. I won’t be around this coming Saturday either, so maybe we should just scuttle that one.

    Saturday is basically the only day that works for me, sorry, but I am a little flexible around time.

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