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[13:01] <@Sylocat> Uh…
[13:01] <@Sylocat> Ringo? Run.
[13:01] <@Sylocat> Oh, the tabloids…
01[13:01] <Froborr> That penguin watch is a bit suspicious.
[13:01] <@Sylocat> And the title of the paper was “The Weekly Truth – Penguin DX”
[13:02] <Arrlaari> Whoops, I hit 20 instead of 21
[13:02] <@Sylocat> Ah… shall we wait?
[13:02] <Arrlaari> I’m in preroll ads for 21
[13:02] <@Sylocat> Paused at end of OP
01[13:03] <Froborr> Also paused at end of OP.
01[13:03] <Froborr> And I also had the ad-free option, FYI.
[13:03] <@Sylocat> Yay
[13:05] <Arrlaari> in post op ad
[13:07] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
[13:07] <@Sylocat> Click
[13:07] <@Sylocat> “Panda egg?”
[13:07] <@Sylocat> Is that a real candy?
[13:08] <@Sylocat> The watch is important? Himari seemed to…
[13:08] <@Sylocat> Mika-Chan looks like Yuri
[13:09] <@Sylocat> Awwww
[13:09] <@Sylocat> …So that’s the eyepatch bear’s origin story?
01[13:09] <Froborr> This is adorable.
[13:09] <@Sylocat> That was a sweet line
01[13:10] <Froborr> Did… did that book say VALIS in Wonderland?
01[13:10] <Froborr> I would read the HELL out of that.
[13:10] <@Sylocat> So Himari remembers that?
01[13:11] <Froborr> Oh boy.
[13:11] <@Sylocat> Oh, this guy needs to get smacked down
01[13:11] <Froborr> Ah, that’s why she reacted to the watch.
[13:12] <Arrlaari> Supposition: reporter is an agent of Sanetoshi
[13:12] <@Sylocat> Does Sanetoshi have agents, apart from the rabbit children thingies?
[13:13] <@Sylocat> …And this is yet another part of their family dynamic we haven’t seen before
[13:13] <@Sylocat> Is this all part of the flashback or is any of this happening “now?”
01[13:13] <Froborr> Hmm, the ramen shop is really different from when Kan goes there.
[13:13] <@Sylocat> The heck?
[13:15] <@Sylocat> …Was he in that photo before?
[13:15] <@Sylocat> Well… that’s a bizarre way to reveal this
[13:15] <Arrlaari> ad
[13:15] <@Sylocat> Paused
[13:16] <Arrlaari> This at least, I think we all could guess
[13:16] <Arrlaari> If not that he would be in the photo, that Sanetoshi was behind the Penguin group
[13:16] <@Sylocat> Well, it explains how he’s able to move in and out of Himari’s subconscious
01[13:16] <Froborr> More or less–Sanetoshi is connected to Kiba, I think we knew that, and him being some sort of nonhuman entity was pretty clear.
[13:16] <@Sylocat> With him being a “curse” and all
[13:16] <Arrlaari> Oh, the ghost thing? That’s a twist I guess
[13:17] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
[13:17] <@Sylocat> Okay then…
[13:17] <@Sylocat> Click
[13:17] <@Sylocat> Kiba? Is that the terrorist group?
01[13:17] <Froborr> Kiga?
01[13:17] <Froborr> Whatever it is.
[13:17] <@Sylocat> This guy’s connected to it too
[13:17] <@Sylocat> This “reporter” is involved somehow
[13:19] <@Sylocat> What…
[13:19] <@Sylocat> She’s just having tea with Masako
[13:19] <@Sylocat> WHAT
[13:19] <@Sylocat> She’s… his “real” sister?!
[13:20] <@Sylocat> I thought she was a jilted ex
[13:20] <@Sylocat> (oh wait, it’s anime, she’s probably both)
[13:21] <@Sylocat> Was that a deliberate Makoto Shinkai reference?
[13:22] <@Sylocat> WHOA
01[13:22] <Froborr> Fuck
[13:23] <@Sylocat> What just happened?
[13:23] <@Sylocat> WHAT
[13:23] <Arrlaari> ad
[13:23] <@Sylocat> Paused. Fuck.
01[13:24] <Froborr> Calling it now, one of Yuri and whatsisface just shoved the other aside and took the stabbing.
[13:24] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
[13:24] <@Sylocat> Click
[13:24] <Arrlaari> Yuri was closer to the door, so it’d be Tabuki
01[13:25] <Froborr> So Kanba has been meeting in an intact ramen shop with his parrents who give him money, but everyone else who goes there sees an abandoned, ruined shop where the long-dead corpse of the father is lying on the floor.
01[13:25] <Froborr> Lovely.
[13:25] <@Sylocat> So is that another alternate timeline bleeding over into this one?
01[13:25] <Froborr> Possibly, possibly.
01[13:26] <Froborr> Or Kanba’s even more messed up than we thought.
[13:26] <@Sylocat> Also, since when do they have an “Uncle” who Blue Oniichan would trust with Himari?
[13:26] <Arrlaari> If Sanetoshi is a ghost, he is probably a boss ghost who can call on other ghosts
01[13:26] <Froborr> Also a possibility.
01[13:26] <Froborr> Or it’s just different depending on who enters it.
01[13:26] <Froborr> Or all of the above.
[13:28] <@Sylocat> …Huh?
01[13:28] <Froborr> Gahhhh
[13:28] <Arrlaari> The ED animation is new
[13:28] <@Sylocat> Yarp
[13:28] <Arrlaari> Or? Just a different intro to the same theme
[13:28] <@Sylocat> It looks different enough to me
[13:28] <Arrlaari> The music is new, I’m fairly sure
01[13:29] <Froborr> So… Kan is working with the terrorist group to get the money to treat Himari, who is pretending to work with them as well in order to stop Kan from becoming a terrorist. Himari is supported in this by Marshmallow Sniper. The terrorists are *probably* working with/for Sanetoshi.
01[13:29] <Froborr> And Shoma is left home alone, abandoned by his family.
01[13:29] <Froborr> Am I missing anything?
[13:30] <Arrlaari> post credit scene
01[13:30] <Froborr> Oh, okay, that makes things MUCH clearer.
01[13:31] <Froborr> Kanba and Marshmallow Sniper’s father left home to join the terrorists, which is why their grandfather hates him. He took Kanba with him, but left the other two children with their grandfather.
01[13:31] <Froborr> Kan and Sho became good friends, and when Kan’s father died, Sho’s parents adopted him.
01[13:31] <Froborr> (They seem to have already adopted Himari at this point.)
[13:32] <@Sylocat> I dunno, it just feels like I know less and less about these characters as we go on, and that makes it harder to build up an investment
[13:32] <@Sylocat> Next episode is preloading
01[13:32] <Froborr> Got the ad free option as well.
[13:33] <Arrlaari> I got the 1 ad up front uption
[13:33] <@Sylocat> I didn’t this time, sadly
01[13:33] <Froborr> Interesting, I’m not having that feeling at all.
01[13:33] <Froborr> I feel perfectly fine with having their backstories unfold slowly.
[13:34] <@Sylocat> Are those Himari’s old friends traveling incognito to duck their fans?
01[13:34] <Froborr> Those are Himari’s old friends, aren’t they?
[13:34] <Arrlaari> Double H!
[13:34] <@Sylocat> Eeyup
[13:34] <@Sylocat> Oh, Ringo
01[13:34] <Froborr> The slogan on the train was “At last we meet,” too.
[13:35] <Arrlaari> “this time for real”
[13:36] <@Sylocat> Ad
[13:37] <@Sylocat> Paused after ad…
[13:37] <@Sylocat> click
[13:37] <@Sylocat> Yep, it’s them
[13:39] <@Sylocat> That would be worse, Ringo
[13:39] <@Sylocat> The heck?
[13:39] <@Sylocat> Now those sci-fi teddy bears are important?
01[13:39] <Froborr> I’m guessing they’re disguised bombs.
[13:40] <@Sylocat> Now I’m picturing a Yurikuma-Penguindrum crossover
[13:40] <@Sylocat> Or maybe they’re the Tediz from Conker’s Bad Fur Day
[13:40] <@Sylocat> Yep, Kanba’s parents are ghosts
[13:41] <@Sylocat> Or was it a dream?
01[13:41] <Froborr> So is this really Himari, or..?
01[13:42] <Froborr> Okay, I liked the penguins there–Himari’s penguin offering packaged fantasies and Kanba’s penguin grumpily ignoring her and focusing on his more serious books.
[13:42] <@Sylocat> Eeyup
[13:42] <@Sylocat> Yep, this is really Himari
01[13:42] <Froborr> Definitely.
01[13:43] <Froborr> The political is personal, the personal is political.
01[13:43] <Froborr> He’s transferring his anger at the injustice of Himari’s death to the injustices of the world in general.
[13:44] <Arrlaari> “If I hadn’t died”
[13:44] <Arrlaari> So, she is also a ghost?
01[13:44] <Froborr> No, she died and the hat brought her back, remember?
[13:44] <@Sylocat> But I thought she still didn’t know about the hat
[13:45] <@Sylocat> Huh? That was Masako and… who else?
[13:45] <@Sylocat> And who just slashed him?
[13:45] <@Sylocat> Huh?
[13:45] <@Sylocat> Was that her ex-girlfriend from the play?
01[13:46] <Froborr> Yep.
[13:46] <Arrlaari> Yeah
[13:46] <@Sylocat> Ad
01[13:47] <Froborr> This show has started moving FAST the last couple of episodes.
[13:47] <@Sylocat> We’ve got, what, four episodes to go?
01[13:47] <Froborr> Yeah.
[13:48] <@Sylocat> Paused after ad…
[13:48] <@Sylocat> Click
[13:49] <@Sylocat> “Their unmarked vehicles.” Let me guess, no one’s following?
[13:49] <Arrlaari> Police unmarked vehicles
[13:50] <@Sylocat> Boom
[13:51] <@Sylocat> Huh, I thought he was going to blow up all the cop cars
01[13:54] <Froborr> Nope, just all the cops.
[13:54] <@Sylocat> Ah, I was right the first time
[13:54] <@Sylocat> Ad
[13:56] <@Sylocat> Paused after ad…
[13:56] <@Sylocat> Click
01[13:56] <Froborr> Oh, it was Masako that got shot, not him?
01[13:57] <Froborr> Or him getting shot saving her, of course.
[13:58] <@Sylocat> The latter, looks like
[13:59] <@Sylocat> Uh h
[13:59] <@Sylocat> oh
01[14:00] <Froborr> Well. Guess Masako’s joining Team Ghost, huh.
[14:00] <@Sylocat> Looks like
01[14:01] <Froborr> Wonder if there’ll be another post-credits scene.
[14:02] <@Sylocat> Yarp
[14:02] <Arrlaari> another post ed scene
01[14:02] <Froborr> Was that Shoma?
[14:02] <@Sylocat> Or… not?
01[14:02] <Froborr> That was Shoma in the box, right?
[14:03] <@Sylocat> Yes, I think
[14:03] <@Sylocat> So… that happened
01[14:03] <Froborr> Hmm, would make a lot of sense if the whole family were adopted.
[14:05] <@Sylocat> To me, there’s a difference between “having their backstory slowly revealed” and “having everything we thought we knew about the characters’ inner lives and psyche turning out to be false, 3/4 of the way through the series”
[14:06] <Arrlaari> the reveals are not inconsistent with previous information
01[14:07] <Froborr> Yeah, that’s the key thing for me–nothing has contradicted what we actually *knew* of the characters before, simply complexified it.
[14:09] <@Sylocat> I know it’s not incompatible with previous “information,” as in, the concrete facts about what happened to who, when (though it’s uncharacteristic for Ikuhara to care about continuity where that’s concerned). It’s just that, finding out that Kanba apparently knew where his parents were this whole time, and that their whole family was adopted, and that Masako was actually his “real” sister, and, even more importantly, that appare
[14:09] <@Sylocat> …secretly thought their home was broken?
01[14:10] <Froborr> Your first thing got cut off: “even more importantly, that appare”
[14:10] <@Sylocat> It was “even more importantly, that apparently both Kanba and Himari secretly thought their home was broken?
01[14:11] <Froborr> Ah.
[14:11] <Arrlaari> Well, it’s natural that they would be ashamed of their association with the subway bombing
[14:11] <@Sylocat> I meant in terms of how the three of them felt about each other
01[14:11] <Froborr> I mean, it’s obvious that they love each other, that hasn’t actually changed.
01[14:12] <Froborr> They’re a family, and that’s why those early scenes before the backstory were important, so that we can see they actually are a “normal” family in the ways that matter.
01[14:13] <Froborr> And then in the last third of the series we’re learning that they’ve also got a lot of guilt about their parents, insecurity about whether the others love them, secrets they’re keeping from each other.
[14:13] <Arrlaari> The stresses of more recent events have eroded their resistance to the cultural norms which deny that they are really family
01[14:13] <Froborr> None of which is incompatible with them being a loving family, it just complicates it.
01[14:13] <Froborr> That too.
[14:14] <@Sylocat> I dunno, I probably just have to re-watch the whole thing (which I keep meaning to do), since right now it just doesn’t feel like that’s been organically built up to enough
01[14:14] <Froborr> Oh, there’s definitely been a lot of “shocking swerve” types of revelations.
01[14:15] <Froborr> But for me at least, nothing that doesn’t answer more questions than it raises, which I guess is one way of defining “organic.”
01[14:16] <Froborr> A lot of the swerves have been followed by me thinking, “Oh, that’s why…”
[14:16] <@Sylocat> We should probably have a long round-table discussion of this series after the finale… I’ll probably feel warmer to it then
[14:17] <@Sylocat> Meantime, I gotta get to rehearsal
01[14:17] <Froborr> All right.
01[14:17] <Froborr> Later!