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[13:04] <Sylocat> A flashback already?
[13:04] <Sylocat> Since when does Ikuhara do “previously on?”
[13:05] <Sylocat> Wait, when is this taking place?
01[13:05] <Froborr> I think it’s taking place now.
01[13:05] <Froborr> After he hurt his hand saving Himari.
[13:05] <Arrlaari> The flashback was to point out that Kanba hella lied about not being incontact with the parents
[13:06] <Sylocat> See, this is what I mean about our knowledge of the characters changing too rapidly
[13:06] <Sylocat> Ad
[13:06] <Arrlaari> ad
01[13:06] <Froborr> Ad
[13:07] <Sylocat> I mean, now we learn he DOES know where his parents are, which changes the emotional dynamics of a number of previous scenes
[13:07] <Arrlaari> Paused after ad
[13:07] <Sylocat> Paused after ad
01[13:08] <Froborr> Paused after ad.
[13:08] <Sylocat> Click
[13:08] <Sylocat> “Beats me?”
[13:08] <Sylocat> Oh, he’s not talking to his brother
01[13:09] <Froborr> I mean, I get your point, but… I dunno, it doesn’t negate anything so much as ad extra layers to their motivations?
[13:09] <Sylocat> Ouch
01[13:10] <Froborr> Ringo and Yui are a lot alike, aren’t they?
[13:10] <Sylocat> Yeah… and like Tabuki, in varying ways
[13:11] <Sylocat> Are they making crepes?
01[13:11] <Froborr> I think it’s closer to barbecue.
[13:12] <Sylocat> The acronym is BAD. Coincidence? (probably, but still)
[13:12] <Sylocat> Ahahah… now Shoma’s the oblivious one
[13:14] <Sylocat_> Hmm, she didn’t mention Ringo?
[13:15] <Arrlaari> There’s a tone occuring periodically in this scene
[13:15] <Arrlaari> ad
01[13:15] <Froborr> Ad.
[13:15] <Sylocat_> Ad
01[13:16] <Froborr> paused after ad
01[13:16] <Froborr> Yeah, I’m not sure what’s up with that tone.
01[13:16] <Froborr> But I get the feeling Himari is feeling jealous of/threatened by Ringo.
[13:17] <Sylocat_> Paused after ad
[13:17] <Sylocat_> (I just got the most amazing as for Hormel deli ham)
[13:17] <Sylocat_> Okay then…
[13:17] <Sylocat_> Click
[13:17] <Arrlaari> There was also a shot of her looking at Double H’s show on the TV
[13:18] <Sylocat_> Ah, I forgot Masako and Sanetoshi were conspirators (though probably with different agendas)
[13:18] <Sylocat_> “Kindly?” He wants the diary burned?
01[13:20] <Froborr> “Truth from lies. Substance from lies.”
[13:20] <Sylocat> So, does Shoma know where their parents are?
[13:20] <Sylocat> I assumed if Kanba did, he did, but the way he phrased that…
[13:20] <Arrlaari> It’s clear that Kanba wants to protect Shouma’s “innocence”
[13:21] <Arrlaari> As an excuse for not facing Shouma’s judgement
[13:21] <Sylocat> Uh oh… who’s this?
01[13:21] <Froborr> No, I wouldn’t have assumed that at all, Shoma has never been shown as in on Kanba’s shady dealings.
[13:21] <Sylocat> Ah, I thought the silhouette looked like her
[13:21] <Sylocat> …What did those sparks represent?
[13:21] <Arrlaari> Rude
[13:22] <Sylocat> Ahahahah
[13:23] <Sylocat> Uh oh
01[13:23] <Froborr> What the hell?
[13:23] <Sylocat> Huh? So this is why Himari has a different surname on the sign out front?
[13:23] <Arrlaari> ad
[13:23] <Sylocat> Ad
01[13:23] <Froborr> Ad.
01[13:23] <Froborr> Is Himari adopted?
[13:24] <Arrlaari> What was Himari’s surname?
[13:24] <Sylocat> I forget what her surname was, but I noticed it was different from the others
[13:24] <Sylocat> We only saw the sign for a split-second
[13:24] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
01[13:25] <Froborr> Paused after ad.
[13:25] <Sylocat> If they’re Not Blood Siblings, then by anime law, that means they’re effectively required to get it on, right?
[13:25] <Sylocat> Paused after ad
[13:26] <Sylocat> Okay then…
[13:26] <Sylocat> Click
01[13:26] <Froborr> *sigh* Yeah, anime has never heard of the Westermark effect.
[13:26] <Sylocat> Are we hearing Flashback Noises?
01[13:26] <Froborr> Westermark? I think that’s what it’s called.
01[13:26] <Froborr> Westermarck.
[13:27] <Sylocat> Uh oh
[13:27] <Sylocat> Awkward
[13:27] <Sylocat> AHAHAH
[13:27] <Sylocat> They both come home through separate entrances at the same time
01[13:27] <Froborr> Well, they came on the same train.
[13:27] <Sylocat> Wait, the penguin just interfered with the scene! That’s against the rules, isn’t it?
01[13:27] <Froborr> Shoma went aroudn back to bring in the laundry.
[13:27] <Sylocat> Huh?
[13:28] <Sylocat> …The heck just happened?
[13:28] <Sylocat> If she trips and falls now, that will help her dodge the ping-pong bullet, right?
[13:29] <Sylocat> Ah, so all the running will give her another attack?
01[13:29] <Froborr> Those giant fans, just like in the Child Broiler.
[13:29] <Sylocat> Whoa
[13:29] <Arrlaari> Child Broiler
01[13:30] <Froborr> Called it.
[13:30] <Sylocat> Himari was in the Child Broiler too?
[13:30] <Arrlaari> “The day I was abandoned by the world”
[13:31] <Sylocat> Momoka to the rescue again
[13:31] <Arrlaari> That isn’t Momoka’s voice
01[13:31] <Froborr> That doesn’t sound like Momoka.
[13:31] <Sylocat> That doesn’t sound like her
01[13:31] <Froborr> Mario?
[13:31] <Sylocat> (great minds, &c.)
[13:31] <Arrlaari> Kanba
[13:31] <Arrlaari> No, Shouma
[13:31] <Sylocat> “We have magic?”
01[13:32] <Froborr> Well.
[13:32] <Arrlaari> New background tone and ED song
[13:32] <Sylocat> I love the red threads motif
01[13:32] <Froborr> Main thing that jumps out at me is that this reads very easily as a satire of attitudes about adoption.
01[13:33] <Froborr> According to The Rules, Yuri and whatsisname are “real” relatives, but there are people who would hold that Himari and her brothers aren’t.
[13:34] <Arrlaari> Tabuki?
01[13:34] <Froborr> Yes, thank you.
01[13:34] <Froborr> Yet really it’s Yuri and Tabuki that are just playacting at being a family, and Himari and her brothers are a real family.
[13:36] <Arrlaari> Penguinforce
[13:36] <Sylocat> Day before WHICH incident?
[13:36] <Arrlaari> Quite certainly, the bombing
[13:37] <Arrlaari> This speech is very likely the father
01[13:37] <Froborr> Ahhh.
01[13:37] <Froborr> The one picture explains so much.
[13:37] <Sylocat> Who was in that picture?
[13:37] <Arrlaari> The shards floating around Himari in the OP are the same as the shards seen in the Child Broiler
[13:38] <Sylocat> Ooh, I just noticed Momoka in the OP
01[13:38] <Froborr> They’re ecoterrorists, at least originally, though based on the father’s speech they seem to have branched out into something on the socialism/anarchy spectrum.
[13:38] <Sylocat> II hadn’t seen her there before
[13:38] <Sylocat> So does anyone except Masako have a Dark Penguin?
[13:38] <Sylocat> Ad
01[13:38] <Froborr> Ad.
01[13:39] <Froborr> Not that we’ve seen, I don’t think.
[13:39] <Sylocat> I wonder what the significance of Masako getting her own Penguin is
[13:39] <Arrlaari> Paused after ad
01[13:39] <Froborr> I think it’s just that she also has a sibling with a (the?) hat.
[13:39] <Arrlaari> Mario doesn’t have a penguin yet
[13:40] <Sylocat> Ah, I’d forgotten that
[13:40] <Arrlaari> I suspect it’s because she’s connected to penguinforce through Kanba
[13:40] <Sylocat> I wonder what Mario’s transformation costume is
[13:40] <Sylocat> Paused after ad
01[13:40] <Froborr> I like the idea that it’s exactly the same as Himari’s.
[13:41] <Sylocat> I like that idea too, but it can’t be, since Himari’s costume is the Triple H thing
01[13:41] <Froborr> True.
01[13:41] <Froborr> Paused after ad.
[13:41] <Sylocat> Which lends credence to your theory that the Hat is an alternate-timeline Himari when she joined them
[13:41] <Sylocat> Okay then…
[13:41] <Sylocat> Click
[13:43] <Sylocat> Oh yikes
[13:43] <Sylocat> Yet it’s Kanba who regularly makes out with her
01[13:43] <Froborr> “Regularly”?
[13:44] <Sylocat> lol at the “DELISH” in the subtitle
[13:44] <Sylocat> (okay, “regularly” is too strong a word, but still… that whole life-force-transfer thing)
[13:44] <Sylocat> Is this happening after the previous scene?
01[13:45] <Froborr> Always a good question in this show.
[13:45] <Sylocat> This is intriguing romantic advice
[13:46] <Sylocat> So now Sanetoshi is creeping on her too
[13:46] <Arrlaari> Creeper be creepin
[13:46] <Sylocat> And she’s having none of it, thank goodness
01[13:46] <Froborr> I love her expression here, though.
01[13:47] <Froborr> Hmm, is that tone diegetic, coming from the orrery?
[13:47] <Sylocat> As punishment for what? What led to that?
01[13:47] <Froborr> Gee, I wonder if the friend’s complaints have any relevance to Shoma’s feelings about his parents.
01[13:49] <Froborr> I presume it was just some school rule infraction ofscreen.
[13:49] <Sylocat> What
[13:49] <Sylocat> “Brother?”
01[13:49] <Froborr> What?
[13:50] <Sylocat> Ah, so that’s where that stuffed animal comes in
[13:50] <Sylocat> Ah, so this is how he remembers it?
[13:50] <Sylocat> I was wondering if we’d get it from anyone else’s POV
[13:50] <Arrlaari> Kiga Apple
[13:51] <Sylocat> Is this legit the Japanese version of Adam and Eve?
[13:51] <Sylocat> Ad
[13:51] <Arrlaari> ad
01[13:51] <Froborr> Ad.
01[13:52] <Froborr> I wonder if that’s the Kakure Kirishitan version…
[13:52] <Arrlaari> Kakure?
[13:53] <Arrlaari> Also, so far he’s been just less specific than the full story?
[13:53] <Arrlaari> Unless I missed something that’s inconsistent with western doctrine?
01[13:53] <Froborr> Paused after ad.
[13:53] <Sylocat> IIRC, “Kakure” specifically refers to the underground ones in the Edo period
[13:54] <Sylocat> Paued after ad
01[13:54] <Froborr> The main inconsistency is that the apple is being associated with destiny rather than sin.
01[13:54] <Froborr> But yeah, what Sylo said.
[13:54] <Arrlaari> Knowledge of Good & Evil
[13:55] <Arrlaari> One of two forbidden apples, the other being Eternal Life. The sin was disobeying God’s command not to eat it, because Patriarchal Authority
[13:55] <Arrlaari> paused after ad
01[13:55] <Froborr> Yes, okay, point still stnads that it’s very much not about destiny.
[13:55] <Sylocat> Okay then…
[13:55] <Sylocat> Click
01[13:55] <Froborr> Quite the opposite: they defied what was “supposed” to happen by eating it.
[13:56] <Sylocat> What was that stuff?
[13:56] <Sylocat> Aww
01[13:56] <Froborr> Anyway, a lot of the Kakure Christians’ beliefs got… a bit strange, because, well, underground religion, word of mouth, translation errors…
[13:57] <Sylocat> Random insertion of a cat
01[13:58] <Froborr> lol at the sign
01[13:58] <Froborr> oh… not so lol
[13:58] <Sylocat> Uh oh
[13:58] <Sylocat> Dang… that sucks
[13:59] <Sylocat> Ad
[13:59] <Arrlaari> ad
01[13:59] <Froborr> AD
[13:59] <Sylocat> Ah, so that wasn’t just the same scene from his POV
01[13:59] <Froborr> VERY MUCH not lol at that last sign.
[13:59] <Arrlaari> “Thanks for keeping the RULES and making a pleasant society”
01[14:00] <Froborr> Also, since when are there three ad breaks?
[14:00] <Sylocat> Paused after ad
[14:00] <Sylocat> Yeah, that sign was a bit on-the-nose
[14:01] <Arrlaari> Paused after ad
01[14:01] <Froborr> Paused after ad.
[14:01] <Sylocat> Okay then…
[14:02] <Sylocat> Click
[14:02] <Sylocat> Class metaphors as well as a satire of societal views of adoption
01[14:04] <Froborr> That’s the hole Momoka left, isn’t it. Guess they still haven’t fixed it after all these years.
01[14:04] <Froborr> Loving the music here, btw.
[14:05] <Sylocat> I forget, did any of the central family ever meet Momoka?
01[14:05] <Froborr> Not that we know of, I don’t think.
[14:07] <Sylocat> “Ethnic powder?”
01[14:07] <Froborr> “ethnic powder”?
01[14:07] <Froborr> lol, again!
[14:07] <Sylocat> Slightly unfortunate translation there
[14:07] <Sylocat> Well… that happened
[14:07] <Arrlaari> Another new ED
01[14:09] <Froborr> I’m interested in the contrast between the way the father talks and everybody else does.
01[14:09] <Froborr> He’s much more… abstract. “Children are made invisible,” “the world,” “the system,” where every other character is motivated by their connection to *specific* people or *specific* events.
[14:10] <Sylocat> Yeah, the father has a crusader sort of vibe… even Momoka was more intimate and personal, and she helped dang near everyone
[14:11] <Arrlaari> There are two distinct scenes where Momoka goes into the Child Broiler and picks one out of a crowd of abandoned children
[14:11] <Sylocat> Momoka picked two people? I only remember her picking Tabuki
[14:11] <Arrlaari> Yuri
[14:12] <Arrlaari> Wait, I forgot, she saved Yuri from something other than the Child Broiler
[14:12] <Arrlaari> The stories are otherwise so similar
[14:12] <Sylocat> I was just about to say, I didn’t think Yuri ever wound up in the Child Broiler
01[14:13] <Froborr> Yeah, Yuri was abused, not abandoned.
[14:15] <Sylocat> Did Momoka have a hand in taking down Masako’s awful grandfather?
[14:15] <Arrlaari> No, he destroyed himself by his own reckless behavior
[14:16] <Sylocat> Right… that was just toxic masculinity taking itself out with the trash
[14:16] <Arrlaari> The pufferfish with a poison cland, remember? He prepared some himself instead of having a professional chef do it and died of the poison.
[14:16] <Sylocat> I remember how he died, I just couldn’t remember if Momoka was involved
[14:17] <Sylocat> come to think of it, Momoka didn’t deal in fates that “specific,” IIRC
[14:17] <Arrlaari> I’m detecting two distinct groups
[14:18] <Sylocat> Of?
[14:18] <Arrlaari> Momoka’s group – Tabuki, Yuri, Ringo, and the Penguingroup: Natsume, Takakura
[14:18] <Sylocat> Ah, good point
[14:18] <Sylocat> Sanetoshi, as per usual, falls somewhere between the two
01[14:19] <Froborr> I actually think Sanetoshi is in direct conflict with Momoka.
[14:19] <Arrlaari> Sanetoshi seems to have control over the Penguingroup – he says that the parents weren’t able to complete the work he wanted from them, and that he’ll have the children do it, and he’s trying to manipulate Natsume into destroying Momoka’s diary
[14:19] <Sylocat> Well, he’s in conflict with everyone
01[14:20] <Froborr> Yeah, I think he’s using Penguinforce.
01[14:20] <Froborr> The thing that I’m baffled by is Masako’s presence at the Penguinforce meeting, and reference to “our father,” calling Kanba “brother,” etc.
[14:21] <Sylocat> That threw me for a loop as well
[14:21] <Arrlaari> Possibly a custom of membership in Penguinforce is to call the leader “father” and other members siblings
[14:22] <Sylocat> Well, I guess we’ll see
[14:22] <Sylocat> In the meantime, I’m off to rehearsal
01[14:23] <Froborr> Later Sylo!
01[14:23] <Froborr> And yeah, I think that’s possible, Arr.