Vision of Escaflowne Episode 25 and MLPFIM S5E11 Liveblog Chat Thingy!

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ETA: Chatlog below the cut!

Note: we ended up swapping MLP and Escaflowne this week because mere_oblivion wanted to be there for Escaflowne and ran late.

MLP

[13:14] <Arrlaari> Title: Party Pooped. Probable Pinkie PIe episode.
01[13:14] <Froborr> Very likely.
[13:15] <@Sylocat_> Click
[13:15] <@Sylocat_> Twilight is nervous
[13:15] <@Sylocat_> Twilight’s planning a party?
01[13:16] <Froborr> “Yakyakistan”?
[13:16] <@Sylocat_> “Yakyakistan?”
[13:16] <@Sylocat_> Wouldn’t “Yakistan” have worked?
[13:16] <@Sylocat_> Oh yikes
[13:16] <@Sylocat_> …Prince Rutherford?
[13:16] <@Sylocat_> And… the…
[13:16] <@Sylocat_> Wow
01[13:16] <Froborr> oh gods it’s the buffalo all over again
[13:17] <@Sylocat_> Is this all a dream?
[13:17] <@Sylocat_> Yep, this is all a dream
[13:17] <@Sylocat_> Or not
01[13:17] <Froborr> ….
[13:17] <@Sylocat_> Did they skip the opening credits?
01[13:17] <Froborr> Looks like.
01[13:17] <Froborr> Nick Confalone?
01[13:17] <Froborr> Wasn’t he involved in Fish Hooks?
[13:17] <@Sylocat_> Sounds like a mafia name
[13:18] <@Sylocat_> Also, didn’t Thiessen and Miller get the “Story by” credit last week too?
01[13:18] <Froborr> Yeah, it looks like they came up with some ideas and handed them out to new writers.
[13:18] <@Sylocat_> So, leaving cranky foreign dignitaries in the hooves of Pinkie Pie. That sounds sensible
[13:19] <@Sylocat_> Okay, this has to be leading up to some kind of plot twist
[13:20] <@Sylocat_> YAK SMASH
[13:20] <@Sylocat_> Is the solution going to be, “If you try too hard to please someone, you usually wind up just annoying them?”
[13:21] <@Sylocat_> Ah, so it’s a story about the dangers of using iconography of another culture without really understanding it?
[13:22] <@Sylocat_> So like a more explicit/direct retread of that element of Lost Treasure of Griffonstone?
[13:22] <Arrlaari> I’m pretty sure it’s a story about goofy and unreasonable foreigners
01[13:22] <Froborr> Yeah, what Arrlaari said. Which fucking sucks.
[13:22] <@Sylocat_> Well, every time they’ve been ticked off, it’s because the ponies have tried to emulate their culture and failed
[13:24] <@Sylocat_> What the…
01[13:24] <Froborr> So it’s not just dragons, ALL reptiles have the power to teleport messages.
[13:24] <@Sylocat_> I’m wondering how Gummy fits that into his film noir narration
[13:25] <@Sylocat_> Ah, so Pinkie’s actually going to Yakyakistan to get some actual intel?
01[13:25] <Froborr> I see where Gummi gets it.
[13:26] <@Sylocat_> Just teleport
[13:26] <@Sylocat_> Whoa, another callback?
[13:28] <Sylocat> My connection is terrible today
[13:28] <Sylocat> “Of course you realize, this means war.”
[13:29] <Sylocat> Oh yikes, the fanfic writers are going to have a field day with this
03[13:29] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Sylocat
03[13:30] * Sylocat_ was kicked by Sylocat (Sylocat_)
[13:30] <@Sylocat> What the…
[13:30] <@Sylocat> How… what…
[13:31] <@Sylocat> What is THAT
01[13:31] <Froborr> A ponified yeti?
01[13:31] <Froborr> Which… basically looks like an Absol.
[13:31] <@Sylocat> A ponyeti?
[13:31] <@Sylocat> Cadence?
01[13:32] <Froborr> Ah, Pinkie’s secret party dungeon.
01[13:32] <Froborr> …that came out wrong.
[13:32] <@Sylocat> So THAT’s how she does it
[13:32] <@Sylocat> How did she… what…
[13:32] <@Sylocat> This is so weird
[13:33] <@Sylocat> Great, more fodder for speculations about ponies’ lifespans
[13:34] <@Sylocat> Ahahah… I wasn’t expecting that to come up again
[13:35] <@Sylocat> See? I was right about what the moral would be
[13:36] <@Sylocat> (have I gotten disconnected again?)
[13:36] <Arrlaari> Not from me
01[13:36] <Froborr> No, I am just searching for words to express my displeasure.
[13:37] <@Sylocat> Ah
[13:37] <Arrlaari> Goofy, unreasonable foreigners who speak ungrammatically and are visually coded mongolian. Not cool.
01[13:37] <Froborr> Precisely, Arrlaari.
[13:37] <@Sylocat> I thought it pulled together better in the end
[13:38] <Arrlaari> It really didn’t
01[13:38] <Froborr> Plus continuing the portrayal of all non-Equestrian cultures as monoliths inhabited by stereotypes, which is doubly troubling when you consider that Equestria is heavily coded European.
[13:38] <@Sylocat> It’s a shame they had to fall back on stereotypes to build up to a decent moral
[13:38] <Arrlaari> It’s coded American with an English capitol
[13:38] <@Sylocat> So, start Escaflowne in 2 minutes?
01[13:38] <Froborr> Eh, by European I basically meant “white.”
01[13:39] <Froborr> Europe-descended? Whatever you want to call it.
01[13:39] <Froborr> And yeah, Escaflowne at 1:40.
01[13:40] <Froborr> Episode 25, yes?
[13:40] <mere_oblivion> I always assume anything with yaks is code for Russia (with or w/o vodka references)

Escaflowne

[13:40] <@Sylocat> Click
[13:40] <@Sylocat> And yes, 25
[13:42] <@Sylocat> When we last left off, the war had officially started
[13:43] <@Sylocat> Uh, Van? She’s, like, your best asset in this mess
01[13:43] <Froborr> Oh, huh, I thought it was going to be the usual “It’s too dangerous!” BS.
01[13:43] <Froborr> But no, he doesn’t want to be tempted to use her power. Interesting.
[13:43] <@Sylocat> Van seems to have grown past that, fortunately
[13:44] <@Sylocat> “Zone of Absolute Fortune.” I love the names for things in this show
[13:44] <Arrlaari> It’s been Allen’s problem far more than Vaan’s to begin with.
[13:44] <@Sylocat> Allen bragging as usual
[13:45] <@Sylocat> I do like Dryden’s theme music
[13:46] <mere_oblivion> Did she hear him say “I love you”?
01[13:47] <Froborr> So, Dryden’s gonna die, I guess.
[13:47] <@Sylocat> So they’re skipping the minibosses and taking the fight directly to Dornkirk
[13:48] <@Sylocat> Well, Hitomi wants to, anyway
01[13:48] <Froborr> And Folken knows he’s going to die, he intends it.
[13:48] <@Sylocat> Eeyup
[13:49] <@Sylocat> “The sea dragon god Jichia?”
[13:49] <@Sylocat> Okay then…
01[13:49] <Froborr> Yeah, that’s…. new.
[13:49] <@Sylocat> Ah yes… Celena’s back on team Zaibach
01[13:50] <Froborr> I am still unclear why armies in this world even bother HAVING ground troops.
01[13:50] <Froborr> I mean, I guess they’re useful as, like, guards and things, but on the actual battlefield?
[13:50] <@Sylocat> IIRC, some of them are equipped with grappling hooks and stuff like that
01[13:51] <Froborr> Ah.
[13:51] <@Sylocat> Ah yes… this scene
01[13:52] <Froborr> So I guess Basram has a nuke.
[13:52] <@Sylocat> Yep… some possibly ill-advised Hiroshima imagery here (but hey, they’re Japanes and I’m not, so who am I to judge)
01[13:52] <Froborr> Ah, so THAT’S why they made a point of showing how volatile those pink crystals were.
[13:54] <Arrlaari> I don’t remember the pink crystals
01[13:54] <Froborr> WAY Back when, there was a mine of them or something, and they interacted with Escaflowne’s core or something, and boom.
[13:54] <@Sylocat> Yeah… that one episode with the snake guy
[13:55] <Arrlaari> Ah, the dragon hearts they were mining
01[13:55] <Froborr> Or something like that, for whatever reason I have trouble keeping track of this series’ plot.
[13:55] <Arrlaari> Energists
[13:55] <@Sylocat> It moves quite fast
[13:55] <@Sylocat> It’s interesting that the good team uses the nuke to the horror of its own troops.
[13:55] <mere_oblivion> One of the things I love about it.
[13:56] <mere_oblivion> (How fast it moves, I mean)
[13:56] <@Sylocat> Yep, Folken knows he’s gonna die
01[13:56] <Froborr> Yeah. It kind of makes them the “good” team.
[13:56] <@Sylocat> So that’s why his wings turned black
01[13:56] <Froborr> Ah, he has radiation poisoning, essentially.
[13:56] <@Sylocat> Interesting juxtaposition with the nuclear imagery
[13:57] <@Sylocat> Allen’s looking for his sister
[13:58] <@Sylocat> Yep, Dornkirk is the Bad Writer. It’s pretty much text
[13:58] <@Sylocat> “Are you talking to me? I’m the only one here”
[13:59] <@Sylocat> Dornkirk really can’t pull off a maniacal laugh very well… but hey, he’s trying to bait Folken into killing him
[14:00] <@Sylocat> Oh, Folken… he thinks it’s the last episode instead of the second-to-last
[14:01] <mere_oblivion> You’re terrible!
01[14:01] <Froborr> And now we get the reveal that Dornkirk iives on in the machine or whatever…
[14:01] <Arrlaari> So does Donkirk plan to become one with the machine, or does his plan involve sacrificing his life to get Hitomi to finish his work?
[14:01] <@Sylocat> A little of both
[14:01] <Arrlaari> Rhetorical questions shouldn’t be answered!
01[14:02] <Froborr> Well. And now we only have one left.
[14:02] <@Sylocat> Well, it was just answered
01[14:02] <Froborr> Not really?
[14:02] <mere_oblivion> Indeed!
01[14:02] <Froborr> Whether or not Hitomi is finishing his work was left ambiguous.
[14:03] <@Sylocat> Well, he showed up as a ghost, and said… well, anyway… next time is the last one
[14:04] <@Sylocat> So we see what the “Zone of Absolute Fortune” is, and we also have to tie up the subplots
[14:04] <mere_oblivion> I just showed up as a ghost, too–after walking 5 and a half miles to get here.
[14:05] <@Sylocat> Happy 63rd BTW
[14:05] <mere_oblivion> Thanks kindly.
[14:06] <@Sylocat> So… thoughts?
01[14:06] <Froborr> Indeed, happy birthday, mere!
01[14:06] <Froborr> Re: the episode
01[14:07] <Froborr> It very much felt like the first half of the finale. Which is to say, mostly setup.
01[14:07] <Froborr> That said, holy fuck the nuke scene.
[14:07] <@Sylocat> Yeah… that seemed a bit out of left-field
[14:09] <mere_oblivion> Nukes are like that.
[14:10] <@Sylocat> So, in the next episode, they have to tie up the romantic subplots, find Celena and get her back to normal, and finish the war, all while Dornkirk’s machine does… whatever it does, which is probably not going to be good
01[14:11] <Froborr> I’m still completely fucking confused by Dilandau/Celena, that makes far less sense to me than the nuke thing.
01[14:12] <Froborr> I mean, a nuke out of left field is, as mere said, pretty much how nukes work. ANd the motivation for using it is pretty clear.
01[14:12] <Froborr> Whatever the fuck is going on with Dilandau and Celena makes no sense in either respect. HOW? WHY????
01[14:12] <Froborr> Hell, even WHEN isn’t clear–has Dilandau ALWAYS been Celena since the beginning of the series? Was there ever a real Dilandau?
[14:13] <@Sylocat> First question, yes, second question, nope
[14:14] <@Sylocat> Celena disappeared ten years ago, remember
[14:14] <@Sylocat> Meanwhile, though, I gotta get to rehearsal
01[14:15] <Froborr> So the empire… captured a completely random little girl and reprogrammed her into a weird dude to be a minor military leader?
01[14:15] <Froborr> Because… evil, I guess?
[14:15] <@Sylocat> Mainly, to prove that they could
[14:16] <@Sylocat> I think.
[14:17] <@Sylocat> In the meantime, see y’all

One thought on “Vision of Escaflowne Episode 25 and MLPFIM S5E11 Liveblog Chat Thingy!

  1. I left without saying goodbye or waiting for the conversation to be over, which is unusual for me. I got distracted by things.

    My impression is that Dilandau was primarily an experiment undertaken in the Empire’s research into fate alteration – basically they were sounding out the principles that drive the big machine the Emperor wanted to build. Using Dilandau as a military leader after the experiment concluded to their satisfaction was more or less recycling.

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