Sailor Moon Crystal Episode 20 and MLPFIM S5E4 Liveblog Chat Thingy!

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[14:00] <@Sylocat> I do love the Toei logo
[14:00] <@Sylocat> Ah yes… we’re in the 30th Century
[14:00] <Arrlaari> That’s a big roman numeral on the crystal bed
[14:00] <@Sylocat> “Diana?”
[14:01] <@Sylocat> Trippyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[14:01] <Mime> Papa, how long have you been a ghost?
[14:01] <@Sylocat> Katakana-ized “Small Lady” is her official title?
[14:01] <@Sylocat> But oh well
01[14:01] <Froborr> Is it a title or a parental nickname?
01[14:02] <Froborr> Or both?
[14:02] <Arrlaari> Yeah, good guys from the future call her small lady, bad dudes from the future have been calling her katakanized “rabbit”
[14:02] <@Sylocat> Maybe we’ll find out
01[14:02] <Froborr> Also, man, having to do cliffhangers AND cold opens must be a pain to write.
[14:02] <Arrlaari> Sailor Pluto called her Small Lady too
01[14:02] <Froborr> You basically need two audience-gasp-moments mere seconds apart.
01[14:02] <Froborr> Oh yeah, good point.
01[14:02] <Froborr> I note they skipped three planets, btw.
01[14:03] <Froborr> I’m guessing season 2.
01[14:03] <Froborr> Which I think I heard was concerned?
[14:03] <@Sylocat> Yeah…
01[14:03] <Froborr> *confirmed
[14:03] <@Sylocat> (anyone hit an ad?)
01[14:03] <Froborr> …so he actually is a ghost.
01[14:03] <Froborr> No, I turned on adblock because of time constraints.
[14:03] <@Sylocat> Yeah, that’s pretty much the technical term for “A spirit that’s left its body, dudes”
[14:03] <Arrlaari> I hit an ad
[14:04] <@Sylocat> It’s her NAME?
01[14:04] <Froborr> *sigh*
[14:04] <@Sylocat> “Usagi Small Lady Serenity?”
01[14:04] <Froborr> Pausing for Arrlaari I guess/
01[14:04] <Froborr> ?
[14:04] <Mime> What?
[14:04] <Arrlaari> ad over
01[14:04] <Froborr> That Arrlaari didn’t mention his ad when it happened so now we’re all out of sync.
[14:04] <Mime> Of all the moments to not use quotation marks.
[14:05] <@Sylocat> Eeyup
[14:05] <Arrlaari> It’s okay if I’m behind, I got spoilers anyway
01[14:05] <Froborr> Well, but I paused when you said we had the ad.
01[14:05] <Froborr> So I’m paused at “I’m Usagi Small Lady Serenity”
01[14:06] <Froborr> Let’s all go to there and then resume?
[14:06] <@Sylocat> I can’t get over that it’s her name
[14:06] <@Sylocat> Sure, paused there now
[14:06] <Arrlaari> okay, I’m ready
[14:06] <@Sylocat> Click
[14:06] <@Sylocat> “Spoiled.” You don’t say
01[14:07] <Froborr> …Pink hair is recessive, I guess?
[14:07] <@Sylocat> Ahahah… their reactions are priceless
01[14:07] <Froborr> I like Venus’ reaction.
[14:07] <Mime> I guess Usagi got hit by the curse: may you have children just like you.
01[14:08] <Froborr> Okay, pretty obvious what’s going on here: Usagi turned evil and killed everyone.
01[14:08] <Froborr> Now she’s gone into occlusion to evolve into her final form.
[14:09] <Arrlaari> She instinctively thought to use time travel to solve her problem
[14:09] <@Sylocat> AHAHAHAH
[14:09] <Arrlaari> They aren’t even dating yet
01[14:10] <Froborr> So… some time in the next eight years, Sailor Moon conquers the Earth?
[14:10] <@Sylocat> If aging stops at adulthood, why is Chibi-Usa still 5 years old?
[14:10] <@Sylocat> WHOA
[14:10] <@Sylocat> That’s… wow.
[14:10] <Mime> Long life was humanitie’s greatest wish?  Ooh boy.
[14:10] <@Sylocat> This is some creepy stuff here
[14:10] <@Sylocat> “Megalith?”
[14:11] <@Sylocat> Yikes
01[14:11] <Froborr> That’s a thing. It’s a technical term for a really big rock.
[14:11] <@Sylocat> Of course Venus figures it out first
[14:12] <@Sylocat> I’m surprised they didn’t call it Nibiru
01[14:12] <Froborr> Nah, they’re referencing the Nemesis theory.
[14:12] <@Sylocat> “A lone criminal?”
[14:12] <@Sylocat> Gee, let me guess who it was
01[14:12] <Froborr> Mercury’s orbit doesn’t quite work according to Newtonian physics, and nobody could figure it out without relativity.
01[14:13] <Froborr> So one of the proposals on what was causing it was a planet that we coudln’t see because it was always on the opposite side of the sun from Earth, and it was tugging Mercury slightly off-course
01[14:13] <Froborr> That hypothetical planet was dubbed “Nemesis”
[14:13] <@Sylocat> Ah yes… “what is amiss with the perihelion of Mercury”
[14:13] <@Sylocat> (or the perry-healing of Mercury, as Mrs. Basham put it)
[14:13] <Mime> I love old historical theories.
[14:14] <@Sylocat> Seriously? The paradox waited until NOW to kick in?
01[14:14] <Froborr> Paradoxes are very polite, and will gnerally wait until after the exposition.
[14:14] <@Sylocat> Good point
[14:14] <Mime> Wouldn’t it usually be the future forms who fade away, though?
[14:15] <Arrlaari> So, does the fact that Venus isn’t starting to vanish impl y that her future self and the other four senshi straight out died?
01[14:15] <Froborr> Yes. Yes it does.
[14:15] <@Sylocat> Maybe proximity has to do with it
[14:15] <@Sylocat> He did just say they can’t be in the same place
01[14:15] <Froborr> Wait, *descended from*?
01[14:16] <Froborr> Sailor Pluto is a TITAN?
01[14:16] <Froborr> Wait, no, the descendents of Chronos were Olympians.
01[14:16] <Froborr> Still though.
[14:16] <@Sylocat> Chronos is a god rather than a Titan in this mythos, too
[14:16] <Arrlaari> The bad guys are time travelling freely though, so technically Pluto is currently failing
[14:16] <@Sylocat> Well, all the good timestream guardians make exceptions for the heroes
[14:17] <@Sylocat> Hopefully the Clock Roaches don’t get them
[14:17] <@Sylocat> AHAHAHA
[14:17] <@Sylocat> What…
01[14:17] <Froborr> I’m having a real hard time getting a bead on Venus’ personality.
[14:17] <@Sylocat> Usagi, the two of you just found out that she’s your daughter
01[14:17] <Froborr> Like, Mercury, Mars, and Jupiter are all pretty welll defined?
[14:17] <@Sylocat> What is she angsting about?
[14:18] <@Sylocat> Whoa, they put the ad placement where it’s actually supposed to go this time?
[14:18] <Arrlaari> ad
01[14:19] <Froborr> Man, how much must it suck to have people who look EXACTLY like your parents around, but they act like angsty ridiculous teenagers?
01[14:19] <Froborr> …Wait, that’s a Buffy episode.
[14:19] <Arrlaari> “Why couldn’t he say ‘let’s protect her together'” is a way better thing to be angsting about than “jealousy”
01[14:19] <Froborr> It really is!
[14:19] <@Sylocat> True
[14:19] <@Sylocat> And why DIDN’T he say that, exactly?
[14:19] <@Sylocat> (incidentally, according to io9, their relationship is even creepier in the manga)
[14:20] <Arrlaari> ad over
01[14:20] <Froborr> Because he habitually underestimates Usagi’s ability to deal with things?
01[14:20] <Froborr> Because sexism?
[14:20] <@Sylocat> What the…
[14:20] <@Sylocat> Why is she back there?
01[14:20] <Froborr> lol, meanwhile Pluto isn’t even acknowledging that Fedora Mask exists.
[14:21] <@Sylocat> Yeesh
[14:21] <@Sylocat> This is a creepy episode
[14:21] <Arrlaari> So the scouts are right next to future mamoru
01[14:21] <Froborr> Man, after they made such a big deal about it a couple of episodes ago, time travel is suddenly pretty casual.
[14:21] <@Sylocat> Uh oh… Lunasphere’s fuse is beeping
01[14:22] <Froborr> Well, yeah, after a thousand years hanging out with eah other they’re basically a poly marriage now.
[14:22] <@Sylocat> Whoa
[14:23] <@Sylocat> Let me guess, Wiseman was the exiled criminal?
[14:23] <@Sylocat> (that’s just a guess… his origin in the old anime was way different)
[14:24] <@Sylocat> So he finally DOES something
[14:24] <Mime> Paradoxes are only a factor once, it seems.
[14:24] <@Sylocat> Wait, did Esmeraude just get killed?
[14:24] <Arrlaari> This is the third time we’ve seen smoking bomber
[14:25] <@Sylocat> “Are you pleased?” Really?
[14:25] <Arrlaari> Obviously fake politeness is a common anime villain thing
[14:26] <@Sylocat> That’s… weird
01[14:26] <Froborr> Well, that’s not who I was expecting to get captured next.
[14:26] <Arrlaari> ad, but that’s the credits segue
01[14:26] <Froborr> Yeah.
[14:26] <Arrlaari> Venus dodged her kidnapping episode so she’s safe forever
01[14:26] <Froborr> We’ve got four minutes until MLP, is it on YouTube yet?
[14:27] <Arrlaari> If the link posted earlier isn’t dead, it is
[14:27] <Mime> Heading out.  Adios.
01[14:27] <Froborr> Arrlaari: Yeah, I was expecting Chibi-Usa to get nabbed, especially after she ran off alone.
03[14:27] * Sylocat changes topic to ‘Welcome to Rabbit Cube! Current weekly liveblogs: MLP Season 5. Current biweekly liveblogs: Vision of Escaflowne, Sailor Moon Crystal. MLP S05E04: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAuiS7JvXec&#8217;
[14:27] <@Sylocat> It’s up
01[14:27] <Froborr> Later Mime!
[14:27] <@Sylocat> So, 3 minutes…
01[14:27] <Froborr> Yep.
01[14:27] <Froborr> Or when we run out of things to say about the previous episode, whichever’s first.
01[14:28] <Froborr> Sorry to be in a rush, but yeah. Time constraints.
[14:28] <@Sylocat> I admit, I’m rather curious to see where it goes from here
[14:28] <Arrlaari> So, in the old anime, at this point in the plot they resolved a subplot that didn’t appear here
01[14:28] <Froborr> Oh?
[14:29] <@Sylocat> I don’t even remember them going to the 30th Century in this arc of the old anime
[14:29] <@Sylocat> 1 minute
[14:29] <Arrlaari> Basically, early in the old anime’s black moon arc, Mamoru started having dreams warning him that if he kept dating Usagi some terrible disaster would happen
01[14:29] <Froborr> Technically true!
[14:30] <@Sylocat> IIRC, those dreams were sent from the future by future Tuxedo fedora to test his loyalty
[14:30] <Arrlaari> And it turned out that future Mamoru had been sending those dreams to “test their love.” It’s the specific thing a friend of mine cites for thinking Usagi/Mamoru is a Bad Ship.
[14:30] <@Sylocat> Click
[14:30] <@Sylocat> Oh great, a CMC episode
01[14:30] <Froborr> Great, a CMC episode!
01[14:30] <Froborr> Fuck, Babs Seed, never mind.
[14:30] <@Sylocat> She’s got SCISSORS for a Cutie Mark? Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon had better find a safehouse
[14:31] <@Sylocat> Ahahah…
01[14:31] <Froborr> I like sour apples better than sweet ones.
[14:31] <@Sylocat> Me too
[14:32] <@Sylocat> Hmm, this “she can’t be a CMC if she has her cutiemark” is foreshadowing what I think Apple Bloom’s arc will be later on
[14:32] <@Sylocat> Apple Bloom gets her cutie mark, and feels like she has to hide it from the others because she’s worried their friendship will end with the crusade
[14:32] <@Sylocat> Oh, she’s actually thinking this AHEAD of time?
[14:32] <@Sylocat> Is she actually growing as a character?
[14:32] <@Sylocat> Uh oh
[14:33] <@Sylocat> You’d think Applejack would know better than to say that kind of thing by now
[14:33] <@Sylocat> Ooh, dream sequence?
01[14:33] <Froborr> She wakes with her cutie mark, whole episode is a dream.
[14:33] <@Sylocat> Yep, she’s got it
[14:34] <@Sylocat> …The heck is THAT?
[14:34] <Arrlaari> I think it’s a juicing machine
[14:34] <@Sylocat> Looks like pesticide sprayer
01[14:34] <Froborr> Fumigation?
[14:34] <@Sylocat> This guy may be a dream, but I like him
[14:35] <@Sylocat> Whoa
[14:35] <@Sylocat> Yeah, this has to be a dream… this isn’t how Cutie Marks work
[14:35] <Arrlaari> Metal Gear?
[14:36] <@Sylocat> Cutie Marks are about finding out who you are ant what you want to do with your life, not just about what you’re good at
[14:36] <@Sylocat> Oh, it’s a Ghostbusters reference?!
[14:36] <@Sylocat> Yep, it’s a Ghostbusters reference
01[14:37] <Froborr> Yep. As I pointed out with Magical Mystery Cure, and how Rarity interpreted having RD’s cutie mark.
[14:37] <@Sylocat> She’s going to unleash the mites and tell them to shock DT and SS
[14:37] <Arrlaari> Are they gonna be electrocuted by those bugs?
[14:38] <@Sylocat> Ooh, is she going to dream about Starlight Glimmer?
01[14:38] <Froborr> Or is losing Cutie Marks just going to be a recurring theme this seasons?
01[14:38] <Froborr> *season
[14:38] <@Sylocat> Did Applejack tell her about Starlight Glimmer?
[14:39] <@Sylocat> Moral of the story: Someone’s gotta do the unglamorous work?
[14:39] <Arrlaari> Is this a new cutie mark removing villain or did Starlight Glimmer actually head directly to Ponyville?
[14:39] <Arrlaari> Oh.
[14:39] <@Sylocat> Yep, it’s a dream
[14:40] <@Sylocat> Is it starting over again?
01[14:40] <Froborr> Huh, I was expecting the nightmare to last all episode.
[14:40] <@Sylocat> DOUBLE DREAM
01[14:40] <Froborr> Oh, yeah, nested nightmares, of course.
[14:41] <@Sylocat> Ah, and now she’s going to dream that they don’t want to be friends with her anymore?
[14:41] <@Sylocat> …Or not
[14:41] <Arrlaari> So, no one actually gets their cutie marks in their sleep?
[14:42] <@Sylocat> Ah, I was right the first time
[14:42] <Arrlaari> I’m pretty sure that we can assume any scenario where she wakes up with a cutie mark is a nightmare
[14:42] <@Sylocat> Ah, so this is the “magic as metaphor for fear of growing up” story arc
[14:42] <@Sylocat> Yep, it’s Starlight Glimmer
01[14:43] <Froborr> I’m guessing the recurring creature in the dream is actually real and doing something to her while she sleeps.
[14:43] <@Sylocat> My original guess about Starlight Glimmer’s plan was that she was planning to absorb everypony’s special talents and become the Perfect Pony
[14:44] <@Sylocat> Here’s where the dreams come apart
[14:44] <@Sylocat> Like in Mulholland Drive
01[14:45] <Froborr> Okay, this episode just got 10x better because it’s starting to get actually dreamlike.
[14:45] <Arrlaari> So the theme of the dream is a cutie mark causes trouble, she wishes it away, and then getting rid of it causes further disaster
[14:45] <Arrlaari> Except that didn’t happen with the exile dream?
[14:45] <@Sylocat> Wait, ponies DO change their name? I assumed it was some cosmic “Destiny” coincidence that they all happened to be named after their traits
[14:46] <@Sylocat> Animated cutie mark!
[14:47] <@Sylocat> Oh… why did I not predict that?
01[14:47] <Froborr> How very Jungian.
01[14:47] <Froborr> …is that a different VA for Luna?
01[14:47] <Froborr> She sounds funny.
[14:47] <@Sylocat> Tabitha can do a gazillion different voices
[14:48] <@Sylocat> I’m assuming she just hasn’t settled on a vocal style for Luna
[14:48] <@Sylocat> Ahahah…
[14:48] <@Sylocat> Equestria’s Got Talent(s)
[14:49] <@Sylocat> Now these are hilarious
01[14:49] <Froborr> lol
[14:49] <@Sylocat> And they subconsciously dream about what their Cutie Marks are going to be
01[14:50] <Froborr> Aw.
[14:50] <@Sylocat> Aw, Scootaloo flies in her dreams
01[14:50] <Froborr> Scootaloo just made me laugh and feel sad at once.
[14:50] <@Sylocat> And she can link dreams together!
[14:50] <@Sylocat> Dang, I thought I was clever for coming up with a fanfic with that concept
[14:51] <@Sylocat> And it turns out Babs didn’t get her cutie mark either
[14:51] <@Sylocat> The one constant of life is pancakes
01[14:51] <Froborr> Holy shit, Applejack has pancake SKILLS
01[14:51] <Froborr> Cute episode!
[14:51] <@Sylocat> Wait, so did Babs really get her cutie mark or not?
01[14:52] <Froborr> I think that part of the episode was real?
01[14:52] <Froborr> Since it was before we saw Apple Bloom go to sleep.
[14:52] <Arrlaari> Yeah, when Luna made the dream lucid they were talking about it as a fact
01[14:52] <Froborr> Any final thoughts?
[14:52] <@Sylocat> That’s… surprising
01[14:54] <Froborr> Not really? Why introduce a fourth, much more minor CMC except to give you a way to do the “one of the CMC gets their cutie marks, the others react” story without losing the CMC dynamic?
[14:55] <@Sylocat> They want to squeeze as much mileage out of the CMC as possible before they finally get their cutie marks, apparently
01[14:55] <Froborr> Honestly, I find it unlikely that they ever will.
01[14:56] <Froborr> MAYBE in the last season, if they know far enough in advance that it IS the last season.
01[14:57] <Froborr> But unlikely even then. The CMC are the identification cahracters for the target audience, after all.

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