Escaflowne Episode 10 Liveblog Chat Thingy!

Remember: No Sailor Moon Crystal today, because it’s not released every other Saturday, it’s released the first and third Saturday of every month. I’m actually going to take part today, because I’m ACTUALLY AT HOME FOR THE FIRST SATURDAY IN A MONTH.

How to participate in the liveblog chat:

Option 1: Whenever you watch the episode, comment on this post as you watch with whatever responses you feel like posting!

Option 2: Go to http://webchat.freenode.net/. Enter a nickname, then for the Channels field enter ##rabbitcube, and finally fill in the Captcha and hit Connect! We’ll be watching Vision of Escaflowne and commenting there starting at 2:00 p.m. EST.

Chatlog after the cut!

01[14:01] <@Froborr> I think part of what makes this OP is that despite the singing and images being fairly slow-paced, you’ve got that great, fairly fast guitar stuff going on underneath.
[14:01] <@Sylocat> Yeah, a varied tempo
[14:01] <@Sylocat> Ah yes, when we left of, Millerna was stitching up Allen
01[14:01] <@Froborr> Oh right, Allen got stabbed in his mech.
01[14:02] <@Froborr> Man, how long WAS that surgery, if Millerna just collapsed?
[14:02] <@Sylocat> Yeah… Dilandau figured out Hitomi was scanning him so he aimed at her
[14:02] <@Sylocat> Ah yes, the Royal Soap Opera subplot
[14:02] <@mere_oblivion> I think the surgery lasted a week.
01[14:02] <@Froborr> And now there are Buddhist monks.
[14:03] <@Sylocat> Awww, the little prince on the throne
01[14:03] <@Froborr> Okay, so the Prince is heir to the Duke?
[14:03] <@mere_oblivion> Cuteness qua itself.
01[14:03] <@Froborr> These titles make little sense.
[14:03] <@Sylocat> Fantasy worlds do tend to have very vague approximations of medieval hierarchy
[14:03] <@Arrlaari> Someone should have corrected him sooner
[14:04] <@Sylocat> Ahah… Van is visibly ticked at being mistaken for Allen
[14:04] <@mere_oblivion> Sorta like pre-Rev Russia, maybe?
01[14:04] <@Froborr> Okay, so I was confused last episode. I thought Freid was Allen’s country. It’s actually somewhere we haven’t seen before.
[14:04] <@Sylocat> Aww, Chid’s illusions are getting shattered
[14:04] <@Arrlaari> Yeah, I’m pretty sure Allen is from the same country as the princesses
[14:05] <@mere_oblivion> So Chid is the Prince of a Duchy–now that’s complicated.
[14:05] <@Sylocat> Again, Allen is getting shown up for being a Chilvarious™ douchebag… he’s only alive because Millerna ignored his instructions to stay out of the battle
[14:05] <@mere_oblivion> Good point.
[14:06] <@Sylocat> Aww, Van restores Chid’s faith in Allen… I’d forgotten that
01[14:06] <@Froborr> Yep. And all his attempt to control Millerna accomplished was that she set out from her home alone, instead of accompanied by trained warriors.
[14:06] <@Sylocat> Oh yeah, they took one of Dilandau’s henchbishounen prisoner
01[14:06] <@Froborr> Huh. Mind control is usually strictly a bad-guy power, for fairly obvious reasons.
[14:07] <@Sylocat> Yeah… the higher-ups in Gaea are very morally suspect all around… bringing out a hypnotist to interrogate prisoners
[14:08] <@Sylocat> Suddenly Millerna is giving off an evil vibe again
[14:08] <@Sylocat> So Dilandau is speciesist on top of everything else
[14:08] <@Sylocat> And jeez those extenda-claws are OP
01[14:08] <@Froborr> Ew, that was pretty creepy shapeshifting though.
[14:08] <@Arrlaari> Allen is pretty dumb
[14:09] <@Sylocat> And Millerna is entirely too optimistic about her dad
[14:09] <@Arrlaari> Hey, this is a mix of the OP
01[14:09] <@Froborr> You’re right, it is. I like it.
[14:09] <@Sylocat> Huh, it is! I hadn’t noticed that before
02[14:10] * @mere_oblivion (46e2a33c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.226.163.60) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
01[14:10] <@Froborr> Okay, THAT’S a creepy power.
[14:10] <@Arrlaari> I guess he will beat you that easily
[14:10] <@Sylocat> You were saying something about creepy shapeshifting, Froborr?
[14:11] <@Sylocat> Ah, so HERE’S when Hitomi teaches him how to use the pendant
[14:11] <@Sylocat> And of course Merle volunteers
[14:11] <@Sylocat> Well of course he’ll find you if you keep peeking over the bushes like that
[14:11] <@Sylocat> Ahahah… of course Hitomi works in some insults
[14:12] <@Sylocat> “scratching post.”
01[14:12] <@Froborr> lol, this is the first time the Hitomi-Merle rivalry has actually been funny.
[14:12] <@Sylocat> IIRC, Merle’s English voice actress really went all in on that line in the dub
[14:12] <@Sylocat> And now Chid wants to figure out how
[14:13] <@Sylocat> Uh oh…
[14:14] <@Sylocat> Creeeeeeeepy
01[14:14] <@Froborr> Oh, so he got the mind-control powers too?
01[14:14] <@Froborr> That’s pretty OP.
[14:14] <@Arrlaari> So, is that a rescue or an elimination?
01[14:14] <@Froborr> But I guess he did eat Paktu’s soul, so.
[14:14] <@Sylocat> Uh oh… now they know about Hitomi
[14:15] <@Sylocat> And now they get really mean
01[14:15] <@Froborr> Oh SHIT
[14:15] <@Sylocat> Eeyup
[14:15] <@Sylocat> They truly are nasty
[14:16] <@Arrlaari> That’s really savvy of Allen
[14:16] <@Sylocat> Yep… he does learn
[14:16] <@Sylocat> Uh oh
01[14:16] <@Froborr> She has the WEIRDEST tarot deck.
[14:17] <@Sylocat> wait, ALLEN figured out what the blank card meant?
[14:17] <@Sylocat> Too late to do anything about it, but still…
[14:18] <@Sylocat> Wait, if Miguel escapes, will they realize that Allen is innocent?
01[14:18] <@Froborr> Nah, that’d require figuring out that Paktu betrayed them.
[14:18] <@Sylocat> Well, true
01[14:19] <@Froborr> So they’d need to know HOW he escaped.
[14:19] <@Sylocat> Uh, Miguel? Dilandau may forgive you, but Folken won’t be pleased
01[14:19] <@Froborr> And given they’re most likely to use Paktu to interrogate people who might have seen him…
[14:19] <@Sylocat> Good point again
[14:19] <@Sylocat> And now, of course, Van learns just in time
01[14:20] <@Froborr> Of course. He’s a shonen hero, that’s how they operate.
[14:20] <@Sylocat> Whoa
[14:20] <@Sylocat> Bisected
[14:20] <@Sylocat> Because of course they go after Van and not the escaped prisoner Van just helped fend off
[14:20] <@Sylocat> Whoa… yikes
[14:21] <@Arrlaari> Well, he would have preferred that the guy escape
01[14:21] <@Froborr> I mean, one message to Asturia would resolve all this, but it seems unlikely they could get a messenger there and back before the invasion.
[14:21] <@Sylocat> So Hitomi goes right out and spoils that it’s important?
01[14:22] <@Froborr> Lol, yeah.
[14:22] <@Sylocat> I’d forgotten that
[14:22] <@Sylocat> Anyway… again, a lot of stuff happened in this episode
01[14:22] <@Froborr> I mean, the Doppleganger is very nearly unstoppable at this point? Shapeshifter with mind control, basically can manipulate anyone however he wants without reprisal as long as he can get them alone.
01[14:23] <@Froborr> Really the only person who has a chance against not-Paktu is Hitomi, if she has a vision about him being secretly evil.
[14:23] <@Sylocat> Yep… maybe Hitomi is immune because of her powers, but she’s not much good at hand-to-hand
[14:23] <@Arrlaari> I’m surprised they’re allowing Vaan to have some of her fortune-telling power
01[14:23] <@Froborr> And she and everyone who trusts her is in jail.
[14:24] <@Sylocat> So it all hinges on Allen being able to convince Chid to trust them
01[14:24] <@Froborr> I’m not actually–it enables Van to fight Dilandau alone, which seems narratively necessary at some point.
01[14:25] <@Froborr> And while on the battlefield See Invisible is Hitomi’s most useful power, in a *war* it’s obviously See Future that’s the gamebreaker. And I think we’re pretty clearly headed in that direction.
01[14:26] <@Froborr> So yes, I think I can now be stated to be Into This.
01[14:26] <@Froborr> Took awhile, but it grew on me and never did anything that actively put me off.
[14:26] <@Arrlaari> And we’re theorizing that Hitomi, not Vaan & Escaflowne, is what’s jamming the Empire’s See Future
01[14:27] <@Froborr> Ah. Yes, I was wondering about that, but I think it makes more sense storywise to be Hitomi.
[14:27] <@Sylocat> Well, Emperor Dornkirk has said that some “new factor” is what’s interfering with his Destiny Prognostication thingy
01[14:27] <@Froborr> I dunno, Escaflowne must have some kind of undiscovered power, it’s just not OP enough to be the titular mech as it stands.
[14:27] <@Arrlaari> The Empire would naturally make that mistake. Hitomi is always travelling with Vaan, but she’s unknown to them and Fanelia is known to have weird destiny stuff around it
[14:28] <@Arrlaari> In particular they have an ancient Guymelf of Notable Quality passed through the Royal family
[14:28] <@Sylocat> Well, Dornkirk also said that capturing “the dragon” (which has already been confirmed as Escaflowne) will allow them to “revive the lost civilization of Atlantis,” so yeah… there’s more going on here
[14:28] <@Arrlaari> everyone knows shit like that is fucking filthy with destiny, they’d be crazy to guess that anything else was messing with their prognostication engine
01[14:29] <@Froborr> “fucking filthy with destiny” is my new favorite phrase of the day.
[14:29] <@Sylocat> Yeah, that was a good one
[14:29] <@Arrlaari> I suspect it’s not original to me but I can’t remember where I might have read it
[14:30] <@Arrlaari> Maybe 8-bit theatre? I was a fan of that right up until it ended.
[14:30] <@Arrlaari> That was the kind of thing where that kind of phrase may appear
[14:30] <@Sylocat> It most certainly was
01[14:31] <@Froborr> Google shows no results for the exact phrase. So a webcomic that doesn’t have a transcript seems like a plausible source.
[14:31] <@Arrlaari> I vaguely recall 8-bit did have a partial transcript at one point
[14:32] <@Arrlaari> But vague recollections can be inaccurate
[14:33] <@Arrlaari> tbh I like that Escaflowne isn’t just winning every fight because it’s Escaflowne
[14:33] <@Arrlaari> They’ve established that it’s Quality Work without turning it into a Goku suit
01[14:34] <@Froborr> The Orbs of Light (aka, light bulbs Black Mage stole) are described as “hot with destiny”
01[14:34] <@Froborr> That’s probably what you’re thinking of.
01[14:34] <@Froborr> No, I completely agree Arrlaari, I like that it’s not completely OP.
01[14:34] <@Froborr> But it still doesn’t seem special enough to be in the title.
[14:35] <@Arrlaari> Like, Gundam wing had a bit of an issue where all of the Gundam pilots just won almost every fight they were in because they had Gundams and the other guys had mook suits
[14:35] <@Sylocat> Oh, you’ll see, don’t worry
[14:35] <@Arrlaari> I think we’ve had enough suggestions that the Escaflowne has A History
01[14:35] <@Froborr> I guess.
[14:36] <@Sylocat> Also, I think Escaflowne is the only mecha so far whose Energist the pilot has to drip his blood onto before it will obey him
[14:36] <@Arrlaari> It’s part of the Fanelian King’s royal estate, the King of Asturia has heard of its legend
01[14:36] <@Froborr> We don’t actually know? I mean, that could be standard practice for all mecha.
[14:37] <@Arrlaari> We don’t know, but there was an air of Ancient Ritual around that scene whereas normal guymelfs read as industrial
01[14:37] <@Froborr> So far the only really unusual thing has been the way it blew up all that Energist an episode or two ago.
[14:37] <@Arrlaari> And it turns into a dragon and flies
01[14:37] <@Froborr> Which, I guess that’s a pretty bloody big hint that it IS somehow special.
[14:37] <@Arrlaari> So far, only the cutting-edge Zaibach guymelfs can follow it into the air
01[14:37] <@Froborr> Yeah, but the Imperial mecha are able to fly without exposign their pilot.
01[14:38] <@Froborr> I mean, again, I’m not *complaining*, exactly. I’m predicting.
[14:38] <@Sylocat> The Imperial mecha have two Energists each, I noticed
01[14:38] <@Froborr> It is in the title, it’s not obviously superior to other mecha, therefore it must have as-yet-unrevealed powers.
[14:38] <@Sylocat> And, again, Emperor Dornkirk is all up in mystical shit, so that presumably helps
[14:39] <@Sylocat> (that’s my attempt at making a similar phrase of the day)
[14:39] <@Arrlaari> Zaibach mechs are clearly several steps above what other kingdoms are used to. They’ve been stomping all over everything except Escaflowne and Allen
01[14:39] <@Froborr> They stomped Allen pretty hard last episode.
[14:39] <@Arrlaari> Allen took a shot for a bystander
[14:39] <@Sylocat> And Van, though they outnumbered him a dozen to one then
01[14:39] <@Froborr> Yeah, point taken though.
[14:39] <@Arrlaari> Anime rules state that if you have to defend a bystander, you must suffer a 1 hit KO
[14:40] <@Arrlaari> You’re not allowed to parry it like you would an attack directed at yourself – that’s just not Noble enough
[14:40] <@Arrlaari> Also, if at all possible you need to stand in a cross pose
01[14:40] <@Froborr> Anwyay, I’m going to head out in a bit, so, final thoughts before I post this up?
[14:40] <@Sylocat> Well, if you parry an attack you’re interfering with, it might go right past you into the initial target anyway
[14:41] <@Sylocat> I’ll probably think of some very clever insight right after it’s already posted, but I’ll save it for the comments
[14:43] <@Sylocat> In the meantime, see y’all next week?
[14:43] <@Arrlaari> I think I’m good for Escaflowne talk today
01[14:43] <@Froborr> All right. Later all!

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